Marian Reforms?

**Fallen Angel Ezekiel** · July 06, 2013, 08:53 AM

Just throwing this out there but does anyone know if the Marian reforms will be the same as the original Rome total war game?

I found this very annoying having to march my frontier armies back to a major city to be discharged while building a new army. I think a good idea would be to march your experienced army to a city and re train them so a hastati unit becomes a roman cohort?

**agent 47** · July 06, 2013, 09:04 AM

Ye you can retrain them under the marian system or retrain them and keep them under the polybian system.

**Fallen Angel Ezekiel** · July 06, 2013, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by agent 47

Ye you can retrain them under the marian system or retrain them and keep them under the polybian system.

Do you have a source buddy which I can read up on or watch?

**B. W.** · July 06, 2013, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel Ezekiel

Do you have a source buddy which I can read up on or watch?

I think this is another case where someone on this forum states something as fact when it is not. I agree with your OP. We should be able to upgrade existing units, but this hasn't happened in any CA game that I'm aware of. It was particularly frustrating in Shogun when you couldn't even upgrade a veteran unit's armor or weapon.

**agent 47** · July 06, 2013, 09:58 AM

I read it in a thread of list of confirmed features which had been taken from articles from different sources.

**Ravefothepeople** · July 06, 2013, 10:13 AM

It was said before that it was the player's choice how to outfit their units, one of those features being whether to use the marian reforms or stick with the Polybian. Exactly how, it has not been confirmed.

However, I think that this will be a difference between : Velites, Hastati (as slightly lighter front line infantry), Principes being the (Shock Heavy sword infantry) and then the Triarii as dedicated anti cav or defensive spears with Polybian. As opposed to a mostly gladius based cohort army, with a small amount of auxillia mixed between archers and spear units.

So Polybian having a wide arrange of specific units whereas the reformed legion is more of a one trick pony, stronger but with less flexibility.

**DogSoldierSPQR** · July 06, 2013, 10:49 AM

Well, in the battle of the Nile trailer, weren't people complaining about how there are post-Marian soldiers and Polybians in the same battle?

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say it is somehow possible to have the best of both worlds...

I would love to rock the Marian legions and send them into battle, but still letting some bronze-cuirassed Roman units along for the ride too. Was it the Triarii who were the ones wearing the Bronze cuirasses? Don't matter. They look cool and I'm taking them with me if it's possible when going post-Marian

**magpie** · July 06, 2013, 11:37 AM

Maybe I am wrong? I think they are letting you choose to keep Polybian units or go the legion route after the Marius reforms.
Regarding your legionaries some will still have chainmail others will wear the later armour which would be true to history.
Of course the Romans reverted to chainmail in the later stages of the Empire.