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    Default Egyptians Flood Streets To Force Morsi Out of Office

    So as you already probably know by now, over 200,000 anti-Morsi protestors flooded the streets of Cairo calling for Morsi's removal. This dwarfed pro-government counter protesters, who only managed to get a turnout of about 20,000. The protesters claim to have 22 million signatures calling for new presidential elections-if true, that is more than the amount of votes Morsi got in the previous presidential election which he won.

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    (Reuters) - Hundreds of thousands of Egyptians flooded into the streets on the first anniversary of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi's inauguration on Sunday to demand that he resign in the biggest challenge so far to rule by his Muslim Brotherhood.
    Waving national flags and chanting "Get out!", a crowd of more than 200,000 massed on Cairo's central Tahrir Square. It was the largest demonstration since the 2011 uprising that overthrew Mursi's predecessor, Hosni Mubarak.


    "The people want the fall of the regime!" they shouted, echoing the Arab Spring rallying cry that brought down Mubarak - this time yelling it not against an ageing dictator but against the first elected leader in Egypt's 5,000-year recorded history.


    While the main protests were peaceful, at least one Mursi supporter was shot dead and 37 people injured in fighting in the town of Beni Suef, south of Cairo, and dozens suffered gunshot wounds during an attack on a Muslim Brotherhood office in Housh Eissa, in the northern Nile Delta.
    The Brotherhood's national headquarters in a Cairo suburb also came under attack from militants hurling petrol bombs and rocks and firing shotguns.


    The liberal opposition National Salvation Front coalition declared victory in what it styled "Revolutionary Communique No. 1" saying the masses had "confirmed the downfall of the regime of Mohamed Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood".


    Organizers called on demonstrators to continue to occupy central squares in every city until Mursi quits. The Tahrir Square crowd roared with approval as an army helicopter hovering overhead dropped Egyptian flags on the protesters.


    A military source said the move was intended to promote patriotism and was not a gesture of political support.


    Many demonstrators bellowed their anger at the Brotherhood, which they accuse of hijacking the revolution and using electoral victories to monopolize power and impose Islamic law.


    Others, including some who said they had voted for Mursi, have been alienated by a deepening economic crisis and worsening personal security, aggravated by a political deadlock over which he has presided. Even some Islamists have disavowed Mursi.


    As the working day ended and 38 Celsius (100 Fahrenheit) heat eased, throngs of protesters converged on Tahrir Square through the eerily shuttered city centre, while smaller crowds protested in several other locations in the capital.


    The veteran leaders of Egypt's secular, liberal and left-wing opposition, including former chief of the U.N. nuclear watchdog Mohamed ElBaradei and leftist presidential candidate Hamdeen Sabahi, joined protest marches in Cairo.


    A Reuters journalist said hundreds of thousands of anti-government protesters marched through the Mediterranean port of Alexandria, Egypt's second city, and a military source reported protests in at least 20 towns around the country.


    Mursi, an engineering professor propelled from obscurity to power by the Brotherhood, was monitoring events from the heavily guarded Qubba presidential palace, where a presidency spokesman appealed for the demonstrations to remain peaceful.


    A senior Brotherhood politician, Essam El-Erian, denounced the protests as a "coup attempt".


    In a statement on the group's website, he challenged the opposition to test public opinion in parliamentary elections instead of "simply massing people in violent demonstrations, thuggery or shedding the precious blood of Egyptians".


    LEGITIMACY
    Security sources said three Brotherhood offices were set on fire by demonstrators in towns in the Nile Delta - the latest in more than a week of sporadic violence in which hundreds of people have been hurt and several killed, including an American student
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    More than 20,000 supporters of Mursi congregated outside a Cairo mosque not far from the main presidential palace, where a much bigger anti-Mursi sit-in swelled from Sunday evening.


    Interviewed by a British newspaper, Mursi voiced his resolve to ride out what he sees as an undemocratic attack on his electoral legitimacy. He offered to revise the Islamist-inspired constitution, saying clauses on religious authority, which fuelled liberal resentment, were not his choice.
    He made a similar offer last week, after the head of the army issued a strong call for politicians to compromise. But the opposition dismissed it as too little to late. They hope Mursi will resign in the face of large numbers on the streets.


    Some Egyptians believe the army may force the president's hand, if not to quit then at least to make substantial concessions to the opposition.
    In Cairo, demonstrators stopped to shake hands and take photographs with soldiers guarding key buildings. At least six high-ranking police officers took to the Tahrir Square podium in support of demonstrators, a Reuters witness said.


    The armed forces used helicopters to monitor the protests in Cairo and Alexandria and a military source said chief-of-staff and Defence Minister General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi was following the situation from a special operations room.


    Mursi and the Brotherhood hope the protests will fizzle as previous outbursts did in December and January. If not, some form of compromise, possibly arbitrated by the army, may be on the cards.


    VIOLENCE
    Both sides insist they plan no violence but accuse the other - and agents provocateurs from the old regime - of planning it.
    The U.S.-equipped army shows little sign of wanting power but warned last week it may have to step in if deadlocked politicians let violence slip out of control.


    U.S. President Barack Obama called for dialogue and warned trouble in the most populous Arab nation could unsettle an already turbulent region. Washington has evacuated non-essential personnel and reinforced security at diplomatic missions.


    In his interview with Britain's Guardian newspaper, Mursi repeated accusations that what he sees as entrenched interests from the Mubarak era are plotting to foil his attempt to govern. He dismissed the demands that he give up and resign.


    If that became the norm, he said, "well, there will be people or opponents opposing the new president too, and a week or a month later, they will ask him to step down".


    Liberal leaders say nearly half the voting population - 22 million people - has signed a petition calling for new elections, although there is no obvious challenger to Mursi.


    Religious authorities have warned of "civil war". The army insists it will respect the "will of the people", though the two sides have opposing views of what that means. To the Brotherhood, that means the result of elections. To the opposition, that means the demands of popular protests.
    Having staged shows of force earlier this month, the Brotherhood did not call on its supporters to go out on Sunday.


    The army, half a million strong and financed by Washington since it backed a peace treaty with Israel three decades ago, says it has deployed to protect key installations.


    Among these is the Suez Canal. Cities along the waterway vital to global trade are bastions of anti-government sentiment. A bomb killed a protester in Port Said on Friday. A police general was gunned down in Sinai, close to the Israeli border.


    (Reporting by Asma Alsharif, Alexander Dziadosz, Shaimaa Fayed, Maggie Fick, Alastair Macdonald, Shadia Nasralla, Tom Perry, Paul Taylor and Yasmine Saleh in Cairo, Yusri Mohamed in Ismailia and Abdelrahman Youssef in Alexandria; Writing by Alastair Macdonald and Paul Taylor; Editing by Peter Graff)



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    Why can't they wait until the elections?

    Is this real anger towards the ruling party or just anger towards the fact that the situation in Egypt didn't really improve, despite the hope of the majority that the downfall of Mubarak would solve their problems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Why can't they wait until the elections?

    Is this real anger towards the ruling party or just anger towards the fact that the situation in Egypt didn't really improve, despite the hope of the majority that the downfall of Mubarak would solve their problems?
    Probably a bit of both - I imagine what will happen is that the government will make some compromises and things will settle down, but I don't really know much about it, so who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Is this real anger towards the ruling party or just anger towards the fact that the situation in Egypt didn't really improve, despite the hope of the majority that the downfall of Mubarak would solve their problems?
    Both, although the degrade of economy in Egypt plays a more major role.

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    Probably a bit of both - I imagine what will happen is that the government will make some compromises and things will settle down, but I don't really know much about it, so who knows.
    No compromise since opposition parties reject it, know full well they can ride the situation now to benefit themselves. But regardless what party is ruling, economy of Egypt would not recover in short time - which is same on Libya, and same on Syria in future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Why can't they wait until the elections?

    Is this real anger towards the ruling party or just anger towards the fact that the situation in Egypt didn't really improve, despite the hope of the majority that the downfall of Mubarak would solve their problems?
    Obviously, you should try starvation. After that you will answer to yourself on your own question.

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    A lot of both. Egypt will be broke in the next few months. But before that, Morsi declared himself a dictator.

    This is a really bad situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmouth View Post
    Morsi declared himself a dictator
    Precisely, Morsi didn´t read Montesquieu.
    Morsi/ Muslim Brotherhood (not surprinsingly) never fully understood the idea of separation of powers. The fall of Morsi is the fall of political Islam, not the religious Islam (obviously).

    Keep in mind that Ali Gomaa the great Mufti of Egypt (extremely popular with those who are against extremism) denounces Islamic political parties on the grounds that they create divisions among Muslims. Regarding the forced islamization, Al Gomaa has clearly stated,
    "Muslim Brotherhood referring to themselves as the only Muslims and any person who does not adhere to their ideology is not a Muslim is unacceptable.It´s a brotherhood of Muslims, not the brotherhood of all Muslims.
    The Egyptian constitution says no political party can be based on religion. What is troubling is the Brotherhood is that they claim they are the only Muslims and no one else is worthy of the title".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Morsi/ Muslim Brotherhood (not surprinsingly) never fully understood the idea of separation of powers. The fall of Morsi is the fall of political Islam, not the religious Islam (obviously).
    The question is what exactly is Political Islam and how it is different than Religious Islam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    The question is what exactly is Political Islam and how it is different than Religious Islam?
    Here you go.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Islam

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    And? That is in fact the core value of Islam; remove that it is not Islam anymore.
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    The question is what exactly is Political Islam and how it is different than Religious Islam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    The question is what exactly is Political Islam and how it is different than Religious Islam?

    Huge
    difference. In my opinion, most adherents of Political Islam want to use Islam as a method to trick mostly poor and ignorant people into believing that voting for them is vital to their faith and voting for other parties is a sin. In Arabic we call them Togar Din which literally translates to "traders of religion". It's a way for them to gain power and influence the people across the nation.
    Although I understand that many people have been influenced by the media and many other factors to believe that both are the same and that Islam represents terrorism and hatred, it truly doesn't. It's just that some of its followers don't understand its principles of peace and love and have been brainwashed to believe that every other human being must be killed for his/her belief. That's why I never judge a religion by the acts of its followers, rather by its principles and doctrine.

    That's speaking as a practicing Muslim who is opposed to Political Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    The question is what exactly is Political Islam and how it is different than Religious Islam?
    I think it would be similar to Christianity in the middle ages. Inquisition comes up as well.
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    Russia should do something about this!

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    Russia should do something about this!
    Why? Egypt is under US sphere so let US taking care the trouble.
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    Why? Egypt is under US sphere so let US taking care the trouble.
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    Egyptians don't know what they want or wait they do, after 100 day they came up want him to go out, i know that the brotherhood are only scum that can do any thing useful, but they came in legal way and can't remove them like that .
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    Egyptians don't know what they want or wait they do, after 100 day they came up want him to go out, i know that the brotherhood are only scum that can do any thing useful, but they came in legal way and can't remove them like that .
    Na, I don't understand what the heck is in Egyptian opposition's mind; even they seize power Muslim Brotherhood can treat them same way how they treat Muslim Brotherhood - refuse any talk between those two groups. In the end problems would still not solve after 4 years and opposition just begging people to remove them from power.

    Dumb move, really. The best way opposition should do now is to cooperate with MB first in order to restore economy and society, then seize power 4 years later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Na, I don't understand what the heck is in Egyptian opposition's mind; even they seize power Muslim Brotherhood can treat them same way how they treat Muslim Brotherhood - refuse any talk between those two groups. In the end problems would still not solve after 4 years and opposition just begging people to remove them from power.

    Dumb move, really.
    And the funny thing that they call it politic, and the freedom of choice .
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackTower View Post
    Egyptians don't know what they want or wait they do, after 100 day they came up want him to go out, i know that the brotherhood are only scum that can do any thing useful, but they came in legal way and can't remove them like that .

    They have however dissolved both houses of parliament and left Morsi as the sole active power in the government, without any checks.

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