No trading / exchanging Regions :(

[Igor85]

So it seems that there will be no option to exchange regions, what - to me - is a veeery big disapointment.

Why? I like playing political and - if not necessary - avoiding war. I know that maybe there were not soo much cases of trading regions in history, but nonetheless it was useful. I don't want to declare war on an long standing ally, because he possesses a region I need.

Okay, hopefully there will be other options like bribe or takeover by cultural influence or whatsoever to avoid breaking the alliance.

But it's a shame anyway: Imagine your ally is in defensive warfare. You rush to help him and fight his enemy, thereby you are conquering 2-3 cities, which originally belong to your ally. You have no use for them either, but you want to strengthen your ally/ give him back his capital/whatsoever...you have no option. Same problem if he comes to your help. What will you do if be conquered back a big city of yours, especially with the new diplo-system all other of your allies will get mad, if you are declaring war against an ally I think.

ANd furthermore: If your ally and you are conquering a faction, there is no possibility to exchange/divide the capture. In worst case after the war it will be a big mess of conquered provinces which can't get sorted peacefully (i.e. my ally get all provinces at his border, I all on my border),...

What I want to say: I hoped there will be more diplomatic options, especially to deal with your allies. But now it seems it will be the same **** again.

[Sharpe]

Vassalage is far more realistic.

I think demanding a region is preposterous - demanding one becomes a client state is much more believable.

You want the bluddy thing, lace up your boots and take it.

[Glustrod]

Still there is the problem of an enemy conquering your region and your ally reconquering it.
I understood when they took the region exchange out in Shogun because there were only civil war scenarios.
But not in Rome 2

I'm not looking the Rezzed Videos, did they say there this feature won't be in?

[Aeneas Veneratio]

Still there is the problem of an enemy conquering your region and your ally reconquering it.
I understood when they took the region exchange out in Shogun because there were only civil war scenarios.
But not in Rome 2

I'm not looking the Rezzed Videos, did they say there this feature won't be in?

You understood that they removed a vital mechanic from a game about a war, where the ultimately winner, Ieyasu Tokugawa, owned much of his success for an exchange of regions? After Oda and Tokugawa had fought against the Takeda and the Hojo, Oda Nobunaga gave Tokugawa the lands of the Hojo in exchange for Mikawa. Tokugawa Ieyasu also had a say in who got which regions after the war was over.

[Dan113112]

This hasn't even been confirmed yet. Stop spreading possibly false information.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

^No, but it showed the diplomacy tab. It was smaller than all the previous games (not to mention it showed NOTHING of exchanging regions).

Totally gutted its been removed tbh - I thought CA were wising up......

[Dan113112]

^No, but it showed the diplomacy tab. It was smaller than all the previous games (not to mention it showed NOTHING of exchanging regions).

Totally gutted its been removed tbh - I thought CA were wising up......

Perhaps they minimalized how much space it takes up? It could be a scrollable feature. I still think we need to wait for confirmation. Opening threads such as these spreads false information. This was also already discussed on another thread. No need to open another.

[Totalheadache]

Perhaps they minimalized how much space it takes up? It could be a scrollable feature. I still think we need to wait for confirmation. Opening threads such as these spreads false information. This was also already discussed on another thread. No need to open another.

well isnt it true until proven otherwise? so not necessarily false...

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

Perhaps they minimalized how much space it takes up? It could be a scrollable feature. I still think we need to wait for confirmation. Opening threads such as these spreads false information. This was also already discussed on another thread. No need to open another.

Aye it was.... by me =P

And I wouldn't be so sure about your optimism; I saw no scrolling icon on the menu.

[Lord Cornwallis]

CA!!!!!!!! Please don’t make me play through another total war game without the option to gift regions in diplomacy.

What if I help an Ally take back a region they recently lost? I want to be able to restore it back to them!

What if I want to give a region to a vassal so they can control a full province? If they already control 3 out of the 4 regions and I control the 4th one I should be able to gift it to them if I want.

Please bring this feature back, not having this feature really and I mean really killed the re-playability of the single player campaign in Shogun 2 for me. I hate being forced to play like a noob, I want to be able to shape my borders with diplomacy and be able to truly support allies and vassals by helping them restore lost land if need be!

Do you get that CA I want to be able to restore lost land to an ally like I could in every toatal game from RTW to NTW! It sucked not having this feature in Shogun 2 and Rome 2's diplomacy will suck without it too.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

^This 100%

[Igor85]

CA!!!!!!!! Please don’t make me play through another total war game without the option to gift regions in diplomacy.

What if I help an Ally take back a region they recently lost? I want to be able to restore it back to them!

What if I want to give a region to a vassal so they can control a full province? If they already control 3 out of the 4 regions and I control the 4th one I should be able to gift it to them if I want.

Please bring this feature back, not having this feature really and I mean really killed the re-playability of the single player campaign in Shogun 2 for me. I hate being forced to play like a noob, I want to be able to shape my borders with diplomacy and be able to truly support allies and vassals by helping them restore lost land if need be!

Do you get that CA I want to be able to restore lost land to an ally like I could in every toatal game from RTW to NTW! It sucked not having this feature in Shogun 2 and Rome 2's diplomacy will suck without it too.

Fully signed! I want the option to form my borders and my empire like I want. And help my vasalls/allys.

[Totalheadache]

thirded!

[Mage de Taverne]

There was a "payment" or something like that option in the diplomacy menu. When you select it you may then be able to choose between money, regions, tech, etc. That has be seen before in other games (maybe not in TW, I don't remember).

In any case, we don't know whether the option will be in or not.

[Templar Spartan]

There was a "payment" or something like that option in the diplomacy menu. When you select it you may then be able to choose between money, regions, tech, etc. That has be seen before in other games (maybe not in TW, I don't remember).

In any case, we don't know whether the option will be in or not.

Like I said in another thread, "Did they actually confirm that trading regions was specifically not in (source please)? Or are you guys assuming? It could be under the "Payments" section in diplomacy."
Great minds think alike.

Also I can't think of a single time in this game's timeframe when two factions exchanged regions.

[Lord Baratheon]

If anything this feature would have made far more sense being included in Shogun II. Given that Japan is one country and that each region is only a small fiefdom.

[AngryTitusPullo]

If anything this feature would have made far more sense being included in Shogun II. Given that Japan is one country and that each region is only a small fiefdom.

Well not just because of one country but because it actually happened during those period of Sengoku Jidai. Daimyos like Oda Nobunaga have given conquered lands to vassals for their loyalty. Tokugawa had been given new fief while his old was forced to hand over to others.

If any precedents that happened like that in Rome II period please let me know. The only time lands is given is through land grant for retired legions as far as I know. Not sure if it happened in other culture. I think giving governorship to families (as been hinted) is more properly correct.

The only way I see this 'give/exchange' land possible during this period (though I can't find any precedence) is during ceasefire/peace offer' option where 2 factions (player and AI) can offer contested land/s in exchange for peace. For example Rome would offer peace to Carthage in exchange for newly conquered Thapsus and the option regions is the last one captured and not some faraway lands that have been conquered 50 turns ago.

This to prevent abuse by players to give lands long romanized to Carthage to govern which will make the province rebelled in the next turn.

[Spartacus041]

Well not just because of one country but because it actually happened during those period of Sengoku Jidai. Daimyos like Oda Nobunaga have given conquered lands to vassals for their loyalty. Tokugawa had been given new fief while his old was forced to hand over to others.

If any precedents that happened like that in Rome II period please let me know. The only time lands is given is through land grant for retired legions as far as I know. Not sure if it happened in other culture. I think giving governorship to families (as been hinted) is more properly correct.

The only way I see this 'give/exchange' land possible during this period (though I can't find any precedence) is during ceasefire/peace offer' option where 2 factions (player and AI) can offer contested land/s in exchange for peace. For example Rome would offer peace to Carthage in exchange for newly conquered Thapsus and the option regions is the last one captured and not some faraway lands that have been conquered 50 turns ago.

This to prevent abuse by players to give lands long romanized to Carthage to govern which will make the province rebelled in the next turn.

"Trajan's successor, Hadrian, promptly reversed his predecessor's policy. He decided that it was in Rome's interest to re-establish the Euphrates as the limit of its direct control, and willingly returned to the status quo ante, surrendering the territories of Armenia, Mesopotamia, and Adiabene back to their previous rulers and client-kings. Once again, at least for another half century, Rome was to avoid active intervention east of the Euphrates."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%..._of_annexation

[AngryTitusPullo]

"Trajan's successor, Hadrian, promptly reversed his predecessor's policy. He decided that it was in Rome's interest to re-establish the Euphrates as the limit of its direct control, and willingly returned to the status quo ante, surrendering the territories of Armenia, Mesopotamia, and Adiabene back to their previous rulers and client-kings. Once again, at least for another half century, Rome was to avoid active intervention east of the Euphrates."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%..._of_annexation

Good. This is better precedents base on what I suggest rather than exchange region style in ETW/NTW. Those territories were recently conquered but Rome does not have means to hold it. In any case that's out of time frame a bit but still can be accepted.

I like the exchange/give regions but there must be a believable mechanics rather that 'just be there' option. In ETW player/AI can offer all available region and that why we see strange situations where Inuits have France etc. Yes it's fun but I am hoping that Rome II while provide different fun rather than stupid fun like that.

[Spartacus041]

Good. This is better precedents base on what I suggest rather than exchange region style in ETW/NTW. Those territories were recently conquered but Rome does not have means to hold it. In any case that's out of time frame a bit but still can be accepted.

I like the exchange/give regions but there must be a believable mechanics rather that 'just be there' option. In ETW player/AI can offer all available region and that why we see strange situations where Inuits have France etc. Yes it's fun but I am hoping that Rome II while provide different fun rather than stupid fun like that.

But you are right that it's not that common. That example is all I could think and it was an exceptional circumstance.

However, I doubt historical accuracy is the reason for removing the give/demand region option. Assuming of course CA actually removed it. I would like to think that the removal of this option has something to do with regions having very unique features that motivated the developers to not throw regions at alien factions willy nilly.