OFFICIAL REZZED COMPLAINT THREAD!

**General Maximus** · June 22, 2013, 10:40 PM

I am deeply sad that exchange of territories diplomatically is not implemented. It was possible in Empire and Napoleon, it helped me greatly. So sad, I hope they do implement it now.

I used to cover my territories with vassals, and to give my empire a neat and historical border. There had been thousands of times when I wanted this feature badly in Shogun II, and I still want it in Rome II, whatever the price.

**Snizel** · June 22, 2013, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by General Maximus

I am deeply sad that exchange of territories diplomatically is not implemented. It was possible in Empire and Napoleon, it helped me greatly. So sad, I hope they do implement it now.

I used to cover my territories with vassals, and to give my empire a neat and historical border. There had been thousands of times when I wanted this feature badly in Shogun II, and I still want it in Rome II, whatever the price.

Same here. They really need to do even more with diplomacy.

Some parts of the game to me look a bit too 'cartoony'. The Mediterranean Sea's water for example looks a bit too 'happy'. I know the game is in perpetual summer but at least the deeper parts of the Mediterranean should be a darker, grey-blue. And the Lighthouse of Alexandria looks a bit too Civilization-ish to me. Just small nit picks from me but it's the small things which can break immersion.

**General Maximus** · June 22, 2013, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Snizel

Same here. They really need to do even more with diplomacy.

Some parts of the game to me look a bit too 'cartoony'. The Mediterranean Sea's water for example looks a bit too 'happy'. I know the game is in perpetual summer but at least the deeper parts of the Mediterranean should be a darker, grey-blue. And the Lighthouse of Alexandria looks a bit too Civilization-ish to me. Just small nit picks from me but it's the small things which can break immersion.

Completely agreed. I wish the water was darker and had better textures.

And the Nile river still seems oversized and ugly. They hadn't changed it any way.

**geyserik** · June 22, 2013, 11:03 PM

Just watched the video of that chick joey playing the battle of the nile.All in all it was pretty good but at the end with the capture point was not so good, Egypt had way more units and if the battle had no capture point she would never have won.

**dking2** · June 22, 2013, 11:11 PM

Is anyone else looking forward to this game *despite* (not because of) the E3 and Rezzed presentations? How weird is that?

**magpie** · June 23, 2013, 02:31 AM

Well. I tried to look at the vid stream. Joey and her muppet gang really put me off. Sorry guys I am not saying you looked like Kermit and company . Joey was trying to speak some sense but was overwhelmed.

**RedGuard** · June 23, 2013, 02:33 AM

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**RedGuard** · June 23, 2013, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by magpie

Well. I tried to look at the vid stream. Joey and her muppet gang really put me off. Sorry guys I am not saying you looked like Kermit and company . Joey was trying to speak some sense but was overwhelmed.

they were all talking nonsence what are you talking about? you couldn't even seen the screen. I know Craig is not a cameraman but ****.

**Huberto** · June 23, 2013, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by magpie

Well. I tried to look at the vid stream. Joey and her muppet gang really put me off. Sorry guys I am not saying you looked like Kermit and company . Joey was trying to speak some sense but was overwhelmed.

Not that it matters a whole lot, but did you find the youtube link to the acutal Rezzed presentation? Craig and Will clown it up during a play through... but Al Bickham actually presents some new info about the game.

It's all here, post #1:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...be-Links/page6

**DarrenTotalWar** · June 23, 2013, 03:01 AM

It's crazy how unfinished it is 2montgs before release , surely the discs are being printed by now?

**Totalheadache** · June 23, 2013, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by HolyRoman

It's crazy how unfinished it is 2montgs before release , surely the discs are being printed by now?

ha some people are still saying it's in Alpha!

**Raikou** · June 23, 2013, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Totalheadache

ha some people are still saying it's in Alpha!

I never said it was still in alpha I said what they are showing us may be alpha.

**Megasalexandros** · June 23, 2013, 03:14 AM

two things that i didnt like were the ridiculously overpowered mortar like ballistas, rocks kill what they hit they dont create shock waves and explosions.
And the fact that Julius Caesars army looked more like Hadrians one, imperial units during a caesar battle is just unacceptable and completely arcadey
As for the rest of the complaints, we cant possibly be sure for anything before we have actually played the game in gameplay terms and in any case they have yet to zoom in a battle and show as fighting animations, but it is obvious that the legion behaves as any sword wielding unit ever behaved in a total war game, no innovations, no additional realism , nothing , not even synchronized marching.

**~~John ''True Grit'' Wayne~~** · June 23, 2013, 04:54 AM

I am sure with some feisty guys playing the game in Beta (if there is one) they will work out the issues with flying men and arty being too powerfull and accurate.
There are months to go to keep working on battles.

**Rezza** · June 23, 2013, 06:03 AM

The code at E3 and Rezzed seem to be the same. So my guess is that this code is the last Alpha Code compiled around the very beginning of June.

That means what we are seeing is 2-3 weeks older than what the CA studio has. Yet people make the same reaction again. Don't you guys see that its the same code from E3?

The studio version should be 2 weeks in Beta already by now. Also the game will print around late 2nd or early 3rd week of August. While the Printing happens the studio usually works on the first patch too.

**caratacus** · June 23, 2013, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Rezza

The code at E3 and Rezzed seem to be the same. So my guess is that this code is the last Alpha Code compiled around the very beginning of June.

That means what we are seeing is 2-3 weeks older than what the CA studio has. Yet people make the same reaction again. Don't you guys see that its the same code from E3?

The studio version should be 2 weeks in Beta already by now. Also the game will print around late 2nd or early 3rd week of August. While the Printing happens the studio usually works on the first patch too.

I would be extremely surprised if the game is not now almost complete. A game like Total War is a a very big project with a substantial budget. If they haven't finished it by now, then the CA executives won't be sleeping that's for sure. They have to get the game discs produced remember and distributed globally in time for the release date in September. The last month will be July for perhaps minor tweaks (very minor) and the they will be breaking off for holidays in August whilst the game is distributed. That's my guess anyway!! Sorry to disappoint some , but what was seen at E3 is very much what you will be getting, so don't expect much in the way of change. CA are hardly going to go to the trouble of showing off the game at these presentations, if it is going to be subsequently changed.

**Petroniu** · June 23, 2013, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by caratacus

I would be extremely surprised if the game is not now almost complete. A game like Total War is a a very big project with a substantial budget. If they haven't finished it by now, then the CA executives won't be sleeping that's for sure. They have to get the game discs produced remember and distributed globally in time for the release date in September. The last month will be July for perhaps minor tweaks (very minor) and the they will be breaking off for holidays in August whilst the game is distributed. That's my guess anyway!! Sorry to disappoint some , but what was seen at E3 is very much what you will be getting, so don't expect much in the way of change. CA are hardly going to go to the trouble of showing off the game at these presentations, if it is going to be subsequently changed.

Well, if you sit and think it through, ETW and S2 were horribly unbalanced and buggy at release - denoting that CA are quite sincere when they say 2 months before release that the game is not yet in beta and everything is subject to change. Therefore, I believe if you want to play a serious and finished TW you should wait until the Gold Edition. Even then there are exceptions (ETW anyone?

) But anyways, usually the game is not ready only a few months after release. Why? Who can tell? Just consider S2 and its months late implementation of Dx11. I mean, seriously? How can you be late on implementing a new technology after you flash it in every marketing thingy you release to the public? Fanboys tend to forget about many horrible releases that CA have done and they always back up CA. It is true that CA usually fixes the game through patches later on but why do we have to receive almost always since warscape an unfinished and unbalanced product? They took more time with R2 but even now they keep saying the game is not yet in beta. It seems that the more time they have the more procrastinating they are...

**caratacus** · June 23, 2013, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Petroniu

Well, if you sit and think it through, ETW and S2 were horribly unbalanced and buggy at release - denoting that CA are quite sincere when they say 2 months before release that the game is not yet in beta and everything is subject to change. Therefore, I believe if you want to play a serious and finished TW you should wait until the Gold Edition. Even then there are exceptions (ETW anyone?

) But anyways, usually the game is not ready only a few months after release. Why? Who can tell? Just consider S2 and its months late implementation of Dx11. I mean, seriously? How can you be late on implementing a new technology after you flash it in every marketing thingy you release to the public? Fanboys tend to forget about many horrible releases that CA have done and they always back up CA. It is true that CA usually fixes the game through patches later on but why do we have to receive almost always since warscape an unfinished and unbalanced product? They took more time with R2 but even now they keep saying the game is not yet in beta. It seems that the more time they have the more procrastinating they are...

But what constitutes change within the last 2 months!? Empire was the Company dealing with a new engine. RTW2 is based on Warscape. Essentially what this is constitutes a heavily modded Shogun 2 using the Warscape engine. It's a reasonable assumption then that the game mechanics have already been completed by now and that the present time will be for minor script changes only.

However the game is more graphically complex, utilising that computerised animation. Looking at the two demos I'm not convinced that has produced better combat in formations, and if that is indeed the case, two months will be cutting it very fine indeed. Unless I see another battle demonstration without the fireballs and elephant mayhem, I remain doubtful that it will change much.

That's a very weak formation to tackle a phalanx!

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**Jungle Rhino** · June 23, 2013, 06:30 AM

The only issue I have with the actual game is the ridiculous chariot/ballista physics that need to be toned down.

However for some bizarre reason they decided that this should be the focal point of the entire battle video - so all we saw was elephants/chariots/flaming balls/ballistas - the infantry were simply there as props to be hurled in the air. It was ridiculous. Here is what they could have shown us:
> Phalanx vs Legion combat
> Pila throwing and skirmish mechanics
> Cavalry charges (how they are meant to go through units)
> Shooting an elephant unit to make it beserk (WITHOUT GIANT BALLISTAS)

So basically, your presentation sucked CA - you failed to convey any meaningful information about the fundamental game mechanics, all we learned from Rezzed regarding the battle map is that your physics system is still completely terrible. This isn't the way to promote and sell your game - unless your target audience is ADD 12 year olds*.

*Think I've figured out what is wrong with this world

**AngryTitusPullo** · June 23, 2013, 06:56 AM

I sincrely hope those who complain/rant/scream/etc etc will not get the game, at least on release day or the first week of release so that the download/Steam server will not crash and I can play Rome II peacefully on 3rd September....