OFFICIAL REZZED COMPLAINT THREAD!

[Raikou]

I'm annoyed there were no Iceni destroying both Roman and Ptolemaic forces, because lets face it, they're far superior to any other faction.

“Iron, conquest, pride.”

[Astylar]

I'm annoyed there were no Iceni destroying both Roman and Ptolemaic forces, because lets face it, they're far superior to any other faction.

I hope they get elephants...

[Sabre120]

I hope they get elephants...

Perhaps extend the map further east to China? So the Iceni can get access to gunpowder early, that would be great!

[Praevanid]

Perhaps extend the map further east to China? So the Iceni can get access to gunpowder early, that would be great!

I'll cancer my pre-order if I don't see Iceni firing machine guns and cannons while riding cataphrelephants (because let's face it: regular, non-cataphract elephants aren't awesome enough).

As for the actual whining, besides the battle physics/speed still being over-the-top (which we know CA is working on), I don't have too much to complain about. Yes, the diplomacy seems like Shogun 2's at best, or a serious step back at worst, but I'll reserve judgment until I get my hands on it and see how well (or poorly) I can manipulate it to my advantage.

[evya]

I'll cancer my pre-order if I don't see Iceni firing machine guns and cannons while riding cataphrelephants

Wow this sentence made my day

[SirFork]

Those damn flying-physics-animations!

[Clock]

I too don't understand the fuss about the "new" diplomacy, especially the "now you know what the AI thinks about you" thing. It is exactly the same as in Shogun 2.

It's not. Shogun 2 diplomatic factors only took into account diplomatic actions (treaties, trade, alliances, war etc) but in Rome 2 it also takes into account actual campaign actions such as moving an army into territory without permission, agent actions and 'war atrocities' - which i guess means razing cities/taking slaves etc.

Here's a comparison of the S2 Diplomatic options and what we've seen so far of Rome 2s - (I've used bold to show where an option is the same)

Shogun 2

Request Trade Agreement
Request Alliance
Make Vassal
Declare War
Request Join War
Demand Trade Embargo
Demand Break of Alliance
Military Access
Payments
Arrange Marriage
Exchange Hostage

Rome 2

Payments
Military Access
Trade Agreement
Military Alliance
Declare War
Join War Against...
Non-Aggression Pact
Defensive Alliance
Make Client State

So Rome 2 adds two new options on this screen - a defensive alliance and non-aggression pact, but loses two options - trade embargo and Break of Alliance. Whether they'll appear under another screen is unknown because - just because an option is not listed, does not mean it is not present. Marriages are not listed but they mention it's something you can do, so they are probably handled through the family panel.

[Igor85]

My critics:

Politic options I miss at most:
-Demand Break of Alliance
-Exchange regions
-bad joke that they said there will be more options,...


Battle:
-no formations, looked like a (arcade) mess
-way too fast units, Hoplits looked like their weapons have no wight.

[PT_ReVoLuTioN]

that faction menu looks so poor, in shogun 2 we have some pretty cool paintings on the back ground but this just looks empty ans soulless

[HigoChumbo]

I'm sorry but i just don't conceive CA making a game which looks worse than Shogun 2. That's why i'm not really scared about the **** we have seen these days, i know -i hope- that if they still have the same designers who did the amazingly beautiful Shogun 2 on a payroll, all those things will be vastly improved in the final version.

I mean... just compare S2's throne room or the general portraits with what they showed today (which to be honest looks like a mediocre late 90s game)

[sunny44]

they said they letting people play the game so it will be good to hear their opinion if they are on this forum, there was no questions about sandals so unlikely!

[The Roman Republic]

why is it in the video they are the roman faction, yet in-game they were controlling the Egyptian army?

[Veah]

Some nice things. CA staff did a good job presenting and answering questions, and they seemed earnest and down to earth. They just needed more time for Q&A. The naval battle looked very interesting. The Nile battle map is beautiful.

But but but...

1.) Those bowling pin animations really suck. Please, please get rid of them.
2.) The diplomacy interface and the portraits were stale and generic looking...not the end of the world but surprising for a TW about Ancient Rome? Not exactly a stale period for artistic inspiration.
3.) The campaign map...why is there no farmland in Egypt??? No sign of life in Syria outside city walls??? It all seems so sterile.
4.) The land battle was absurd. It was all comic entertainment with gimmicky weapons leaving us to wonder what a "real" battle might be like or whether there will be real battles. No idea.

Mod support is going to be essential for this game. That includes map modding.

I absolutely agree with you.
But I think many people is refraining from complaining because they are expecting a magic mod like Europa Barbarorum solving all the weak points of the game. I am not so optimistic about the modding chances of R2TW seeing the preovious games.
And I don't think it is fair to wait until others improve for free a game for which you paid €50 to CA. Don't pay for an unpolished game, or mod it yourself if you can (not talking specifically about you ).

why is it in the video they are the roman faction, yet in-game they were controlling the Egyptian army?

It's a campaign, and then they jump to an historical battle. Note the units of each army are different too.

[Huberto]

And I don't think it is fair to wait until others improve for free a game for which you paid €50 to CA. Don't pay for an unpolished game, or mod it yourself if you can .

Yeah it isn't fair, but CA is going to do stuff most of us don't agree with for their own reasons. I can't mod TW games. If I was a talented modder, I'd definitely buy this at release and get to work on it.

[Petroniu]

I really do not like the way battles are combined right now. It seems that if you have an enemy fleet in a sea region where you already have a fleet and on the land you have 2 armies, let us say you are besieged by an enemy, then you will be forced to play the land battle as well if you engage in the naval one. That sucks! I really hope that you will have an option to play only 1 of them.
Also, the land battles look like mess. They made an absolutely fun game, no TW feeling at all. You cannot possibly talk of tactics and strategies in a battle after seeing the battle of the Nile. Al had his troops on a hill, he had OP units like ballistas and those deployables that really wrecked havoc in the roman army and he just won really fast. It lasted no more than 5 minutes. This game fails to impress me more and more. Now I know why they will not make a demo. If people will get an actual chance to play the game they will see how bad it is and will not buy it anymore.
I am really disappointed. I really hope that the final product will not be as horrible as seen here in terms of battles. On the campaign map I still dislike the fact that there are actually very few cities - only the province ones are real deal - the regional cities being like Empire.s small resources cities but with more construction options. Many downsides concerning the game.
Again, I really hope that the final product is different. CA has a way of showing one thing but delivering something else. Hopefully this time the surprise in the final product will be a good one.

[Huberto]

I am really disappointed. I really hope that the final product will not be as horrible as seen here in terms of battles. On the campaign map I still dislike the fact that there are actually very few cities - only the province ones are real deal - the regional cities being like Empire.s small resources cities but with more construction options. Many downsides concerning the game.

I empathize with your strong sense of disappointment. However, while it looks pretty bad right now, it's still too early to judge how this game will play out in the long run. To my mind this is looking more and more like something to avoid at release but get for later.

Modders can fix some of the most glaring deficiencies, like the portraits and unit cards and address some issue with the units. We have to cross our fingers about the AI and hope CA gives us something to work with there.

Campaign map modding would be a huge bonus, both in terms of improving the map's appearance (e.g. dial down the blue Mediterranean, add some life!) and hopefully in terms of adding regions, siegeable cities. etc.

[Cvetko]

NO COMPLAINTS CA U HIT THE GOLD MINE

[osros]

NO COMPLAINTS CA U HIT THE GOLD MINE

I had gripes but your bold large text just changed my mind and now I am a Lemming/sheep just as you. Thanks

[Dan113112]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp_uRpniJnc

[osros]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp_uRpniJnc

nice, thanks!