Byzantium (Constantinople/Istanbul) vs Antheia (Sozopolis)

[fizy45]

Because the scale of the map does not allow it. More cities and less shiny camapign map (with bird flying, cities expanding) would have been a good trade but CA does not share this vision.

I am so eager to recreate the 1st Punic War to wage war between two miserable settlements for years (turns).

But there is a historical fact it that city was there since 6700 BC how can they not include it ?

[Dan113112]

But there is a historical fact it that city was there since 6700 BC how can they not include it ?

Byzantium was founded in 657BC. It didn't really become as important as it is now until much later. As for why it wasn't included the answer is simple. Gameplay. Many cities that should be on the map aren't there. All because CA doesn't want to put to many cities on the map. This is all about completing a campaign in about 200 turns I believe as their statistics show that most players only play that many turns in a campaign. I say most players. Not TWC players.

[Stavroforos]

I think the reason they chose not to include Byzantium (it's name at the time) is for gameplay reasons, though what these reasons are I cannot know. Otherwise not including Byzantium seems to be quite silly.

[fizy45]

I think the reason they chose not to include Byzantium (it's name at the time) is for gameplay reasons, though what these reasons are I cannot know. Otherwise not including Byzantium seems to be quite silly.

Addding it as medium sized city named as Byzantion is the proper solution...

No its Konstantinopolis or Carigrad.

Please guys do not argue about the name call it as you wish but please this thread is about its existence in game read the end of my post please...

Byzantium was founded in 657BC. It didn't really become as important as it is now until much later. As for why it wasn't included the answer is simple. Gameplay. Many cities that should be on the map aren't there. All because CA doesn't want to put to many cities on the map. This is all about completing a campaign in about 200 turns I believe as their statistics show that most players only play that many turns in a campaign. I say most players. Not TWC players.

But it was not just a city can be missed its so important after its foundation it became a trading link between west and east and also the only sea route to black sea passes inside of the city thats why it become larger after that and picked as the capital for the Eastern Roman Empire so it should be added...

[ROYAL SIPHAI]

Constantinople Was founded by Emperor Constantine thats way off the time period. Well the City was Byzantium at that time which founded founded by Greek Settlers.

Istanbul was officially named in 1930. Its a crap name to be honest. I dont give a crap if people flame me for saying Istanbul is a crap name.

[Lanciarius_90]

Delete pls.

[August]

Same reason we don't have some hamlet that was proto-Kiev?

And, with due respect, I don't think there are people on this forum that need a history lesson about what Constantinople/Istanbul was.

[Stavroforos]

Same reason we don't have some hamlet that was proto-Kiev?

And, with due respect, I don't think there are people on this forum that need a history lesson about what Constantinople/Istanbul was.

Uh, not really. Byzantium existed as a trading city at the game's time period, and was even larger and than the regional capital which is depicted in Rome II. I'm guessing they simply didn't want a city that was right on the Bosporus and thus blocking access to and from the Black Sea. As stupid as that sounds.

[fizy45]

Uh, not really. Byzantium existed as a trading city at the game's time period, and was even larger and than the regional capital which is depicted in Rome II. I'm guessing they simply didn't want a city that was right on the Bosporus and thus blocking access to and from the Black Sea. As stupid as that sounds.

I agree what you say but lets not forget that IT WAS INCLUDED IN ORIGINAL ROME TW !!!

Byzantium was a pretty unimportant city until later in the empire. The games focus is more from 250 bc to around 300. this city wasnt anything important until around 330 when constantine made it the capital mainly to get more support in the eastern part of the empire which is also why he converted to christianity.

So since we really mostly going to be playing from 250 to around 300 other cities have a higher priority.

But i am guessing you should have known this and still didnt like the answer.

Byzantion become larger after being the capital of the ERE but it was not unimportant before that.It did not emerge as a huge city after it was chosen by Konstantin it was a huge and important city and thats why its choosen by Konstantin.

Constantinople is really a good Strategic City. You had the Sea on One side and the Massive Theosidian Walls on the other. No Wonder Many Empires failed to take the city until the invention of Upgraded cannons.

Thats why it should be included not putting it into game is a terrible idea...

[Sowilo]

Byzantium was a pretty unimportant city until later in the empire. The games focus is more from 250 bc to around 300. this city wasnt anything important until around 330 when constantine made it the capital mainly to get more support in the eastern part of the empire which is also why he converted to christianity.

So since we really mostly going to be playing from 250 to around 300 other cities have a higher priority.

But i am guessing you should have known this and still didnt like the answer.

[ROYAL SIPHAI]

Constantinople is really a good Strategic City. You had the Sea on One side and the Massive Theosidian Walls on the other. No Wonder Many Empires failed to take the city until the invention of Upgraded cannons.

[August]

I have not studied the specific subject at length, but I see no evidence of Byzantium being anything other than a minor trading town at ~250 BCE. The only thing of any note that happened there was the Philo's list of "Seven Wonders", and even that was ~25 years later.

I'd love for someone to enlighten me(with concrete references), if I err. It's an interesting subject.

[Stavroforos]

I have not studied the specific subject at length, but I see no evidence of Byzantium being anything other than a minor trading town at ~250 BCE. The only thing of any note that happened there was the Philo's list of "Seven Wonders", and even that was ~25 years later.

I'd love for someone to enlighten me(with concrete references), if I err. It's an interesting subject.

Not much might have happened in Byzantium, but even less happened in Antheia / Apollonia, the city which serves as the regional capital.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Because Constantinopolis didnt exist at this time. But Byzantion did.

[fizy45]

Because Constantinopolis didnt exist at this time. But Byzantion did.

Yes its name was Byzantion but if I call wrote that name nobody will understand what city I am talking about thats why I called it.

If it has a place in game it should be called Byzantion I agree...

[Legion_IX]

Yes its name was Byzantion but if I call wrote that name nobody will understand what city I am talking about thats why I called it.

If it has a place in game it should be called Byzantion I agree...

I have to say you are a very patient person.

[fizy45]

Because Constantinopolis didnt exist at this time. But Byzantion did.

Yep the name Byzantion was the correct one.

If I used the name of Byzantion in my post many people will not understand what city I am talking about thats why I choose its second name...

[fizy45]

Unfortunately many important cities are absent in the game , and instead are presnt cities not very important : as for example in Campania region (southern Italy) there is Neapolis while during the Roman Era the near Capua was the largest city in Italy after Rome itself..........

These should be fixed before release...

[Maleventum]

Unfortunately many important cities are absent in the game , and instead are presnt cities not very important : as for example in Campania region (southern Italy) there is Neapolis while during the Roman Era the near Capua was the largest city in Italy after Rome itself..........

[Lanciarius_90]

Constantinople Was founded by Emperor Constantine thats way off the time period. Well the City was Byzantium at that time which founded founded by Greek Settlers.

Istanbul was officially named in 1930. Its a crap name to be honest. I dont give a crap if people flame me for saying Istanbul is a crap name.

We still use Byzantinum (Bizanc) and Carigrad - Emperor city. Istanbul was also greek name and wrong lame name.