No Lorica Segmentata for Cesarian legionaries

**Iulianus Apostata** · June 17, 2013, 03:59 AM

Hi all,

Ha have seen in this video that some cesarian legionaries have lorica segmentata armour, that is historicaly incorrect for the cesarian period. I'm asking to CA to give all them lorica hamata and leather armour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=XJTTsDiqDeY

**Maleventum** · June 17, 2013, 04:04 AM

not leather armour ! it has never been demonstrated the use of leather armour by Romans, at the time of Caesar they used lorica hamata and squamata

**Iulianus Apostata** · June 17, 2013, 04:08 AM

No Lorica squamata! It was much used only in Imperial period! I think is better to give to cesarian legionaries only the lorica hamata.

**Maleventum** · June 17, 2013, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Iulianus Apostata

No Lorica squamata! It was much used only in Imperial period! I think is better to give to cesarian legionaries only the lorica hamata.

no, it was used also by etruscans and carthaginians, also the ancient persians used scale armor, http://johnnyshumate.files.wordpress...5/timeleon.jpg

**Iulianus Apostata** · June 17, 2013, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by Maleventum

no, it was used also by etruscans and carthaginians

No. It doesn't mean anything! Cesarian legionaries never used lorica squamata. It was used only by some imperial legions and auxiliary troops, since 1st century AD o later.

http://www.roma-victrix.com/armament...e_squamata.htm

**Will CA** · June 17, 2013, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Iulianus Apostata

Hi all,

Ha have seen in this video that some cesarian legionaries have lorica segmentata armour, that is historicaly incorrect for the cesarian period. I'm asking to CA to give all them lorica hamata and leather armour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=XJTTsDiqDeY

While I don’t want to spoil anything for your future campaign playthough, there are a number of factors required to be able to recruit heavy infantry (or you may choose not to have them at all), as with all Total War games, it will be up to you to develop your military tech.

-Will CA

**Heathen Storm** · June 17, 2013, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Will CA

While I don’t want to spoil anything for your future campaign playthough, there are a number of factors required to be able to recruit heavy infantry (or you may choose not to have them at all), as with all Total War games, it will be up to you to develop your military tech.

-Will CA

A.K.A. Segmentata will be available as a research tech.

...Allegedly.

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · June 17, 2013, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Will CA

While I don’t want to spoil anything for your future campaign playthough, there are a number of factors required to be able to recruit heavy infantry (or you may choose not to have them at all), as with all Total War games, it will be up to you to develop your military tech.

-Will CA

Now I am spoiled! so we can have early god looking roman inf nice!

**PT_ReVoLuTioN** · June 17, 2013, 04:23 AM

i hope we will be able to make all soldiers in the unit use lorica segmentata or other tipe of armor be research or update

**~~Antiochus~~** · June 17, 2013, 04:23 AM

No lorica segmentata,
No lorica squamata,
Only lorica hamata.

Seriously, in ceasarian period legionaires used only lorica hamata. Lorica squamata and segmentata were in 1st century AD, as first.

**DarrenTotalWar** · June 17, 2013, 05:21 AM

As long as they're wearing something, they're roman to me :L

**DogSoldierSPQR** · June 17, 2013, 08:26 AM

Chill out, guys. Will just said it's a researchable military tech. It's up to you when you want it. Want it for the correct time period? Research it when you feel comfortable...

**Marcus Aemilius Lepidus** · June 17, 2013, 08:36 AM

As for the Segmentata, the first Prototypes were propably used in the Alpine Campaigns of Tiberius and Drusus. First evidence of them are from Kalkriese. Still they were not the common armour and limited in use, at his high in the early 2th century propably a maximum of 30-50 % of the Legionaries used the armour.

**RGA** · June 17, 2013, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Marcus Aemilius Lepidus

As for the Segmentata, the first Prototypes were propably used in the Alpine Campaigns of Tiberius and Drusus. First evidence of them are from Kalkriese. Still they were not the common armour and limited in use, at his high in the early 2th century propably a maximum of 30-50 % of the Legionaries used the armour.

Any theory of why Lorica Segmentata was developed? I mean, it is per se a very simple piece, technically. No superior skill nor techniques is really needed to produce segmentata, and it surely took a much less time compared to chain mail. One might ask himself why the Romans, extremely innovative and open to change as they were, did not even think about something similar sooner?

**Dan113112** · June 17, 2013, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by RGA

Any theory of why Lorica Segmentata was developed? I mean, it is per se a very simple piece, technically. No superior skill nor techniques is really needed to produce segmentata, and it surely took a much less time compared to chain mail. One might ask himself why the Romans, extremely innovative and open to change as they were, did not even think about something similar sooner?

I disagree. You don't need the same skill to produce Hamata as you do Segmentata. Especially when you have thousands of slaves. Another thing is that Segmentata rusts a lot easier than Hamata and is harder to maintain.

When talking about how effective mail is people always test Medieval mail with a linen padded coat. From the tests I've seen, even with high quality mail, most sharp blades punch through mail. I swear it's the linen coat that is doing most of the work. The Romans didn't wear such a thing (for the most part) so I doubt mail in ancient times was as affective as people make it out to be. I think the Romans used it because it was cheap to produce.