Parthian Empire

[jules napoléon khan]

There is an historical problem with the Parthian Empire because he didn't exist in 272bc but he "was born" in 246bc. And i think it's the same for the Iceni but i'm not sure because there aren't any documents about this. Sorry for my English, I'm french.

[Nicolaos]

No big deal.

Only solution would be to throw them out, would you be happy then?

[jules napoléon khan]

An event, same as mongols or timurids, I think it's good idea. No?

[Nicolaos]

Well but mongols and timurids weren't playable :/ at least in vanilla.
There will be emergent factions ingame, but not playable. And Parthia really has to be playable

[cahtush]

Well they don't start as the parthian empire, but as tribal federation (or something like that).

[jules napoléon khan]

Or, Parthia can be a a seleucid's protectorate.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Or, Parthia can be a a seleucid's protectorate.

Best solution.

But to be honest, 246 is just one of at least 3 diffrent dates for the rise of the Parthians. Depending on how you work it could be something between 260 and 180 BC
It is also common knowledge that they were steppe nomads which just invaded around 250 BC. That is not entirely true, because there were allready Parthians which settled down in the Seleucid Empire and the old Persian Province of Parthia. They also had a settled presence around Nisa and so it is totally acceptable to make them vassals there, even if you have formally a Seleucid Governour in this time.

[Prince Regent George]

About the Iceni, we just don't know, since there are neither archeological evidence nor written sources, which could verify or deny their existence, in the begining of the game.

However, the Parthian inclusion is absolutely historically accurate, since they implemented it as a tribal federation in modern Turkmenistan and not as an empire, as you suggest.
More specifically, the Parni were a coalition of Dahae tribes, which invaded Margiana and, after being repelled, crushed a greek, rebel satrap of Parthia (his name is probably Andragoras) and therefore they installed in his territory. So the greeks and roman sources call them Parthians, despite being originated from norther places.

The time of their migration is rather doubtful, since the ancient sources contradict each other, but it's irrelevant to our discussion, since, according to the maps' reveals, CA located them not in Parthia, but in the norther regions of todays Turkmenistan, before they migrated (which is also historically correct).

EDIT: About the protectorate think, I am not very sure, considering that the Seleucids or Alexander III had never operated militarily in Nisa's region, which makes the protectorate quite improbable (although not impossible).

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

About the Iceni, we just don't know, since there are neither archeological evidence nor written sources, which could verify or deny their existence, in he begining of the game.

However, the Parthian inclusion is absolutely historically accurate, since they implemented it as a tribal federation in modern Turkmenistan and not as an empire, as you suggest.
More specifically, the Parni were a coalition of Dahae tribes, which invaded Margiana and, after being repelled, crushed a greek, rebel satrap of Parthia (his name is probably Andragoras) and therefore they installed in his territory. So the greeks and roman sources call them Parthians, despite being originated from northern places.

The time of their migration is rather doubtful, since the ancient sources contradict each other, but it's irrelevant to our discussion, since, according to the maps' reveals, CA located the not in Parthia, but in the norther regions of todays Turkmenistan, bedore they migrated (which is also historically correct).

That Andragoras was a rebell satrap is heavily discussed, but the last works i read about the subject indicate that this thesis is less likely. He seems to been after all very loyal to the Seleucids.