Pannonia

[General Maximus]

As it turns out with the current map, the province of Pannonia is oversized and goes far north from the Danube, the historical border marker for the Roman Empire AND the real Pannonia province.

Here it is:

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I thank CanOmer greatly for this map, I posted this one instead of the real map because this one is clear and non-coloured, and Pannonia can be clearly seen here, just above Thracia and Illyria which are just north of Macedon faction. Open the image in a new tab to see it in larger size...

And the real Pannonia province, which didn't ever cross the Danube:

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And the Danube, the historical border of the Roman Empire (except for Trajan's conquests) in the northeast, which is completely different in Rome II especially in Pannonia:

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So is CA now again forcing us to take unwanted territories? In RTW and Medieval II, we had to take whole of north Africa just to get a tiny settlement on the coast, especially in Medieval II where if you took just Tripolitana you got whole of Cyrenaica, Libya, parts of Tunisia and Algeria, parts of Egypt and many more. In RTW, we had to take all of Scotland just to take York and north-eastern England. Those flabby provinces were nowhere to be seen once Empire came, and I had forgotten them. But now this again....

Even if you do not own all of the regions, they are so badly shaped you automatically get a frontier above Danube, or the people above automatically get a frontier below. The game is forcing this on our throats.

So now we have to cross the Danube just to have our full province and be able to enact edicts? Syria, too, is very unhistorically sized. Roman Empire, until the time of Trajan, never owned this much of Syria. It owned a straight border running across the coast of Levant to Anatolia and ending only in Egypt.

Is this ever going to be changed?

What do you people think?

Note: Before people start bashing me and 'deal with it' or 'cry me a river' people or that desperate CA fanboy crowd comes in, please note that this is constructive criticism. I am entitled to express my opinion, which is all I do. Everyone is free to have his or her own opinion and can disagree with this. The purpose of this thread is to actually know what people are thinking about this.

[General Maximus]

Gameplay wise, this is going to be bad too. Because no matter what you do, your enemy will still be owning land across the river and can easily cross and access both sides. Same goes for Romans, because if you are playing something else and hold everything north of Danube and Romans own the south, they will still have a totally unrealistc and inaccurate piece of land in your area. That means one has easy access to all lands around it, contrary to the real Danube frontier where crossing it was difficult for most factions and meant battles all around once you have done it.

[D E C]

I noticed this too. I'm also puzzled why did they decide to add "Silesia" as a name of a province when it's completely out of timeframe. Also in CA's map Sarmatia is called "Sarmetia" and Chorasmia is called "Chromasmia".

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Fun Fact! you as a player don't have to take all of the province of Pannonia. maybe just one city. if you feel like it.

[General Maximus]

Yes, the player does have a choice not to conquer those regions. But that means allowing barbarians and other factions to keep more than half of Pannonia, and allwoing them to cross the river with large armies as they will.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

That is actually a good point, the Roman Empire should be made up of complete provinces if it expands to it's historical borders.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

Each province will consist of 2 to 4 regions, which can be conquered seperately. The people owning the part of Pannoia above the Danube will not automatically own the part of the Province South of the Danube. If, that was right, Athens would own Sparta (and Crete, I think) at the game start due to Athens being the (assumed) provencial capital of the Hellas Province.

Take Syria, for example, according to CanOmer's map it has 4 regions, which can be conquered seperately, not take one get three automatically.

[Anna_Gein]

With some luck the only settlement with siege map from the province will be located north or East of the Danube.

[B. W.]

The OP makes an interesting point. One more thing, CA has said rivers will be passable, but looking at the map it seems navigable rivers will be natural obstacles and the Danube appears to be one of the navigable rivers. However it stops at the border of Panonia.

[Lanciarius_90]

+1 for OP

I hate Medieval 2 and ETW region map. No border on Danaube or Rhine, so stupid design decision.