Fog of War ,where ?

[oOIYvYIOo]

Im opening this topic hoping that someone from CA/TW could confirm if Fog of War will be on Rome 2 or not .
Due on all the Historical battles i have seen untill now i havent nottest it .
We can see the armies on far sight ,see the units on the woods,behind the walls ,etc .
Or am i wrong with the concept of fog of war from CA/TW ?

[nameless]

It's line of sight.

So if there's a unit hiding behind the hills then you won't see them until they come out or if you get over there.

[oOIYvYIOo]

It's line of sight.

So if there's a unit hiding behind the hills then you won't see them until they come out or if you get over there.

No its not its called fog of war . And i didnt asked what is it ,but where is it on the trailers that we have till now as none shows that .

Line of sight is the visibility that a unit as to the other .....
Fog of war is that you dont see the unit on the battlefield till they come in the line of sight of a unit .....

[Jokern]

No its not its called fog of war . And i didnt asked what is it ,but where is it on the trailers that we have till now as none shows that .

Line of sight is the visibility that a unit as to the other .....
Fog of war is that you dont see the unit on the battlefield till they come in the line of sight of a unit .....

Where did they say that it's called FoW in battles? I know that it's on the campaign map, I've only heard that LoS is in battles.

[oOIYvYIOo]

Where did they say that it's called FoW in battles? I know that it's on the campaign map, I've only heard that LoS is in battles.

Mate read the previous posts bud , line of sight it already exists since day one on TW .Line of sight is what units need to have to be able to use their missile weapons to hit others.
Fog of war is that you will only see the units when your units have them on your line of sight ... it has beend said for some time .Check the first videos .

[xernoxis]

Mate read the previous posts bud , line of sight it already exists since day one on TW .Line of sight is what units need to have to be able to use their missile weapons to hit others.
Fog of war is that you will only see the units when your units have them on your line of sight ... it has beend said for some time .Check the first videos .

Maybe they removed it in the showcase so we would see more than just fog?

[Petroniu]

Mate read the previous posts bud , line of sight it already exists since day one on TW .Line of sight is what units need to have to be able to use their missile weapons to hit others.
Fog of war is that you will only see the units when your units have them on your line of sight ... it has beend said for some time .Check the first videos .

Bahahahaahahhahaahah! Man, you are a walking mess of confusion! In another thread you seriously confuse and misunderstand the new province and regions system and now, let me tell you, you CONFUSE the RANGE of units with the LINE OF SIGHT! The range was used to determine how far archers could shoot while the NEW line of sight system is used to determine how far can units see and implicitly, you! FOG OF WAR is used on the campaign map to hide the areas of the map that you have no information of! Dude, so funny! And you hang on to your wrong believes with such determination!

[Prof]

Mate read the previous posts bud , line of sight it already exists since day one on TW .Line of sight is what units need to have to be able to use their missile weapons to hit others.
Fog of war is that you will only see the units when your units have them on your line of sight ... it has beend said for some time .Check the first videos .

Well...in the Teutoburg Forest video you can only see the german units very late. You can only see them when they enter the LoS of the Romans.

There is no fog of war in the battles, just line of sight.

You can only see enemy units within the line of sight of your units.

And in earlier tw games, missile units did not need to see the enemy to shoot at them...they just had to be within range. There was no such thing as line of sight in TW until now.

Here is an explanation:

Fog of War: the area on the campaign map, covered up until you discover it
Line of Sight: what your units can see, which now affects, what you as the player can see on the battlefield
Range: the range at which missile units can shoot at enemies. They could also shoot at enemies, which were behind cover so far.

[Jokern]

Mate read the previous posts bud , line of sight it already exists since day one on TW .Line of sight is what units need to have to be able to use their missile weapons to hit others.
Fog of war is that you will only see the units when your units have them on your line of sight ... it has beend said for some time .Check the first videos .

Let me quote Shigawire:

From PCGamer UK

"...a subtle but major change to the Total War formula: every unit now has dynamic, terrain-based line of sight, and no enemy unit is visible by default. No more steering your men towards a general magically marked out by a star on the battlefield.

"Each individual man is actually looking around him," Ferguson explains. "He can only see what he can see. As a result of that you get a much more claustrophobic effect when you're in a forest situation - and much less time to react."

And Jack Lusted in the same thread:

Proper line of sight is something we have wanted to include in Total War games for a long time, and now with Rome II advances in tech have allowed us to do it.

This means that units can now be hidden behind hills, or behind large buildings unless another unit can see them from a different angle or gets close enough.

It’s important to point out here that the system is still being worked on and experimented with, but the below should help explain it more.

On open ground units will be able to see for a long way, no units popping into existence as they start to fire on you. Hills and buildings will block line of sight but below a certain distance units behind hills and walls will become visible (this is to represent the noise a unit would make that would be audible).

It works much the same as hiding in woods does now, just extended to include other terrain features. Units that are hidden from you will not show up on the tactical map just as hidden units in Shogun 2 do not show up on the radar map until they have been spotted.

We’ve wanted to implement this for a long time as it allows for more tactical possibilities on the battlefield. Now you can hide units behind that big hill and try and surprise your enemies, or use tall buildings in settlements to mask a flanking move by some of your forces. The AI will be aware of this system and will be able to deal with it. Remember it will know how many units you started the battle with so will know if you have some hidden based on how many it can see.

This line of sight system is an evolution and addition to how hiding has worked in Total War games for a long time, taking it further to add more depth to the battlefield.

Nowhere do they mention FoW for battles. There will be a new LoS system where you see the enemy units that your units see.

[Bekaya]

Yeah, I was wandering too. So far it looks like line of sight won't have much impact on battles. We have to wait and see.

[nameless]

Oh that.

I don't recall a FOW being in tactical battles at all.

For Campaign maps obviously they'll be FOW.

[oOIYvYIOo]

Oh that.

I don't recall a FOW being in tactical battles at all.

For Campaign maps obviously they'll be FOW.

Again no, fog of war on the battlefield on Rome 2.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Actually if they are invisible when not in LOS then how do you know there are not plenty of invisible units in the battle that you are not seeing? It's simply impossible to tell from a trailer since there is not way for you to check if there are hidden units or not.

I hope units will get an icon when they are not in enemy LOS so you know if you are actually hidden.

[Michadon]

What Petroniu says is true. Also, when you are not able to see a unit on the battlefield because it is out of your line of sight does not mean it is in the 'fog of war' which isn't present on the battlefield itself (or in sieges). You will be able to (and always haven been in previous total war games) see all the terrain of the battlemap. With the new line of sight system you are just unable to see every unit.

That said however, in the footage of the siege of carthage, the T-forest (see what I did there) ambush and the battle of the nile this line of sight system was noticeably absent. Only in the forest ambush would units pop-up sometimes.

[Mortarion]

It's line of sight, not fog of war. FoW is on the campaign, not in battles. Line of Sight in Rome 2 will represent what your units can see, and what enemy unit you can see.

[oOIYvYIOo]

Units that dont happear on the battlefield is fog of war.
As armies that dont happer on the campaign map is fog of war.
If Jack doesnt know the diference or the correct terms its is faulght.
Fog of war exists for years before even CA think about it .
Units can hidde inside houses and woods ,what was the term, hability of hidde ?

Lin of sight always existed ,if there wasnt no line of sight before how units would hidde ?
How units would see other to shoot .


Pet ,you just won a report,hurray .
I was wrong with the provinces ,no i wasnt, i would never think that CA would never include cities as Syracuse as siege battles ,but that is from another topic .As i didnt believed that CA would ever do that as thousands of people never believe and still dont .

[Prof]

Units that dont happear on the battlefield is fog of war.

Fog of war hides everything, normally including terrain. It has never been in TW games, except for the campaign map, where you had to send units/agents, to see what was happening outside of your borders.
The line of sight makes your units see enemies, when the view is not blocked. And this time, you can only see enemies that your units can see
And this is shown in the Teutoburg Forest video.
It is in the game.

[oOIYvYIOo]

Fog of war hides everything, normally including terrain. It has never been in TW games, except for the campaign map, where you had to send units/agents, to see what was happening outside of your borders.
The line of sight makes your units see enemies, when the view is not blocked. And this time, you can only see enemies that your units can see
And this is shown in the Teutoburg Forest video.
It is in the game.

Yes it has been on TW .You as a artifex should know it better than a random member.
There are several modds that use it .NTW 3 uses it for years and its not the only modd.
Units are only visible at the line of sight ,due the modd uses the fog of war ,units that are invisible on the battlefield if your to far from them.
Line of sight is the line that a unit needs and has to see the enemy unit.
Untill now archers,behind a hill ,house,obstacle didnt need a properly line of sight to shoot down the enemy , now they will do,because of the fog of war.
But if you pick on a gunpowder unit ,matchlock ,line inf ,their line of sight doesnt exist or even ,now with FotS ,if a unit doesnt have a 80% or a bit less of line sight it takes the risk of being annihilated on the battlefield.
If i put a unit inside a house ,they hide,its fog of war,you need to get close to see it .

How you all dont know the terms and continue to try to tell me that i dont know what im saying is just absurd ,some more respectful others dont .But untill now not once i talked on campaign map fog of war and still when knowing whats a fog of war on campaign map you dont know how its used on battlefield.

Bed time bye.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

Jesus, man. You keep insisting you're right, but you aren't.

[Bethencourt]

I also asked where fog of war is. In any game fog of war is what you are describing as line of sight. So here I agree with the OP author. We could see all the units in the E3 video.