The other Barbarians

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Ok this might become controversial for some ...

but Try to follow the reasoning ...

The map of RTWII portrays a lot of "unused space" like Sahar, and even beyond Sahar , the Russian steppes and even parts of India ...

My sugestion is to Add also those regions possibly and Implement new factions , perhaps even unplayable but that technologically level had the same technology of the Germanic tribes or the Catribes ...





Romans did make lots of military patrolling into the barbarian terriotories even very very far from the "presumed" Roman empire borders , like even modern Day Kaliningrad this doesn't stops to northenr eastern europe but also southern regions of Saharian and subsaharian, military expedition up to the Nile roots , southern Arabia etc ...
This was made to keep control of those regions under the roman rule , that even if not directly "romanized" or colonized , where under the roman influence as cushion states , submitted client states , alliances or the like .. after all the Roman motto was "Divide et Impera" wich means keep them divided and rule them .

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-720513-2.html



So the Idea is ...

Since CA added germans , that actually are not that much superior to the other barbarians of east europe and southern borders ... why not add them too ?

so other tribes could be and extend the map with ...

Baltic tribes

Venedae ( slavs )

Scandia germanic tribes

Finnish tribes

Tocharian tribes

Saka ( east scythians )

Berber tribes

Garamantes

Axumites

Saharian nomads

Arabian tribes

Maghada / Maurya

Nok

Mande tribes

[Gugg]

While I think this would be great if it were added to the game, I don't it's just that easy to add new factions. It's not just done on a whim. There is a lot of coding to be done, and if they were to be added in now I don't think they would be finished by the game's release. Not to mention that you'd have to extend the map even further. That requires even more work. So I don't think your suggestion will do much to be honest.

[RGA]

Quality over quantity. I would rather see them concentrating their resources on polishing the already in-game factions and making them playable.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

the thread is not about if CA has to add them in "NOW" ... but if eventually those could be interesting and added because by technology level I do not see what they have to envy to german ribes for example .

PErhaps by CA , perhaps by modders.

[Nekator]

the thread is not about if CA has to add them in "NOW" ... but if eventually those could be interesting and added because by technology level I do not see what they have to envy to german ribes for example .

PErhaps by CA , perhaps by modders.

i wouldn´t be surprised if the russian areal will be filled by some add-on/dlc... Mongol Hordes anyone?

[skofuz]

CA has to mind their budget dude, I'd rather them fix unit cards or make the water on the campaign map look better than add some more factions to this already huge map.

[Gugg]

CA has to mind their budget dude, I'd rather them fix unit cards or make the water on the campaign map look better than add some more factions to this already huge map.

Yes I agree with that. I'd rather they focus on what they have already made for the game. Besides a budget is a good point.

[Lockcaps]

Germanic tribes are very iconic.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Wait. Do you claim the romans made military expiditions as far as kalliningrad (Königsberg)?

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Wait. Do you claim the romans made military expiditions as far as kalliningrad (Königsberg)?

That must have been sword for hirer who lived in that area.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Romans did lot of expeditions , usually in military protectiion , as well ass deep army interventions in barbarian lands . or simply with comercial missions .
Its also the reason why those regions are so detailed in the roman maps , because were controlled by Roman army even if not directly colonized or "Romanized" , plus comercial routes and merchands went all the way up to Scandia , beyond and around Scotland , Hibernia, The Nile roots, up to India comercial ports and Even China .

[Gugg]

I can see where this thread is going already.

[Pajkes]

I guess that Jack prefers watching over answering to quetions it seems, cause this time there is no chance he didn't see my question.Oh well it's not like I expected to be blessed with actual response.

So Bethesda's PR department is spreding it seems, or this is normal for a industry in which you pay 60 bucks for a product and can't even be told what to expect.Ok, I might be exaggerating a bit, but still.......so everything is going to stay the same, right ? Who am I even asking, when none of the stuff bothers to say anything.

[Remwr]

Why not start your own thread instead of posting this in an unrelated thread...?

[Remwr]

I guess that Jack prefers watching over answering to quetions it seems, cause this time there is no chance he didn't see my question.Oh well it's not like I expected to be blessed with actual response.

So Bethesda's PR department is spreding it seems, or this is normal for a industry in which you pay 60 bucks for a product and can't even be told what to expect.Ok, I might be exaggerating a bit, but still.......so everything is going to stay the same, right ? Who am I even asking, when none of the stuff bothers to say anything.

Sigh......Just start your own thread..................

[Pajkes]

Well let's sum this up. The bottom line is :

Jack since you're clearly here can you (since you didn't answer any of my questios,maybe you havent seen them or simply can't answer to all of them) tell us and I mean honestly tell us whether are things especially unit cards subject to change till release or not.If you remain silent than I guess you are either not allowed to say something (again PR 'geniuses') or the things are what they are until some modders change them.I know that this thread is about something completly different but please answer to this if you want and can.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

I asked because it sounded as they made a military campaign to the easter baltic areas, but as i know they came never further than the Elbe and a bit into modern Brandenburg. I know there are some trade contacts to the eastern baltic area, but no direct roman presence, absence single traders and travelers.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I asked because it sounded as they made a military campaign to the easter baltic areas, but as i know they came never further than the Elbe and a bit into modern Brandenburg. I know there are some trade contacts to the eastern baltic area, but no direct roman presence, absence single traders and travelers.

for The beyond the usual tought limit of roman presence ...

Roman diplomats were also eager to intervene in their neighbors' affairs, bribing tribal princes, organizing assassinations and supporting their favorites all the way to the throne. Excavations in the state of Lower Saxony in August 2008 even uncovered a battlefield containing the remains of 3rd century weapons. Closer inspection revealed that a Roman legion equipped with catapults had advanced as far as the Harz region in central Germany in a lightning campaign probably intended to punish insubordinate tribes.

These soldiers didn't have to struggle through wastelands and swamps to get there. "We were able to locate 11 settlements along the highway that started at Moers on the Rhine and reached as far as the Sambia peninsula in present day Kaliningrad," Kleineberg explains.

Most Germanic sites appear to have been situated along rivers and at road junctions, indicated by the word "furd" included in many place names. "Lupfurdum," the predecessor to Dresden, for example, was located at a shallow, fordable spot along the Elbe River. Hanover, then "Tulifurdum," was a place where the Leine River could be crossed.

Researchers believe Ptolemy's map now allows them to trace the path followed by amber traders from the Vienna area up to Gdansk Bay as well.

Military Work

It was primarily surveyors with the Roman army, which appears to have advanced as far as the Vistula River, who collected information on the barbarians' lands. Dieter Lelgemann, a geodesist in Berlin, is firmly convinced that "Ptolemy was drawing on work done by military engineers."

while for roman expeditions in China , India, traveling sea routhes , comercial stations andmilitary garrisoning of them along arabian south peninsula ,expedition in deep sahar and up to the nile are common known ... I could even personally testify the roman findings in Sri Lanka museums .

Ireland should be a Faction as the Romans were so afraid of them they did not invade.

Acutally tere are findigs of a Roman fort in Ireland ,Drumanaghm and Tacitus wrote that that the roman general Agricola in 82 crossed the sea from western Britain and conquered "tribes unknown" to Romans .
Usually the charts of Roman empire show only the "romanized colonial settlements and not the actual extensionof the Roman empire borders , that actually went quite beyond the colonies area and deep into foreign territory with innumerable politic agreements , controls , military interventions etc . just lie the modern term of cushion states works .

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Thanks for contribution


for The beyond the usual tought limit of roman presence ...


while for roman expeditions in China , India, traveling sea routhes , comercial stations andmilitary garrisoning of them along arabian south peninsula ,expedition in deep sahar and up to the nile are common known ... I could even personally testify the roman findings in Sri Lanka museums .

There were traderoutes and anciant travelroads across magna germania, i stated this the thread about "barbaric walls" but that has nothing to do with roman expiditions. They were there since hundrets of years before the romans arrived. Also the 3th century battle at the harz and the location of lower saxony is west of the Elbe, not beyond it.

If i remeber correct there was a roman traveler who reached the eastern baltic area and wrote about it, which could been Ptolymes source, but not a military expidition. There is no prove, not even a hint existing for that.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

There were traderoutes and anciant travelroads across magna germania, i stated this the thread about "barbaric walls" but that has nothing to do with roman expiditions. They were there since hundrets of years before the romans arrived. Also the 3th century battle at the harz and the location of lower saxony is west of the Elbe, not beyond it.

If i remeber correct there was a roman traveler who reached the eastern baltic area and wrote about it, which could been Ptolymes source, but not a military expidition. There is no prove, not even a hint existing for that.

Not according to the researches done tough, You do not need to find a battlefield remains to set the milestone to where the roman armies might have arrived, also the detailing and geography of descibed regions prove that military cartographers have reached those regions , a single traverler wouln't have had time resource and secutiry to do all those precise relevations . Neither there would have been much need for it actually . Also Romans did even sea expeditions to explore the northern sea and traded with baltic regions . this has nothing to do with the germanic palizatde walls found in east germanic regions , it just proves that the settlements there could very well be used by romans on the route rather than crawling in swamps and wild lands . http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-...eryV9-uewi.jpg and they have been proved that they have reached as far as vistula according to the studies and nothing shows that they couln't even have ventured beyond .
As said the fact that there isn't a battlefield finding with roman crushed helmets doesn't prove that romans might have not arrived there as well .