Complaints

[pericles_plato]

This is a thread for the many different complaint threads. I'm trying to contain the spam threads so we can be more organized.

If I cannot defend a city what is the point of having it? I want more sieges, they should change it. What else do you not like SO FAR?

[ashbery76]

Err you can defend a city.

[pericles_plato]

Err you can defend a city.

Sieges are only capitals and forts. Cities are field battles.
This thread will likely die I think.
What are you upset with so far? I'm pre ordering but theres always something that I do not like in any game.

[Grimbold]

Currently there's nothing that would make me complain to the point of not purchasing the game

[Tenerife_Boy]

+1 for those 2 comments..... Sieging 183 cities would be boring! omg....welcome to siege total war? no thanks.
I pretty love the new system just playing sieges in just the capital of the province. so that's 1/2 1/4 cities all around. And the fact that when sieging region cities or minor cities aswell, you could see it on the distance. That's epic too.

Good job CA

[Petroniu]

+1 for those 2 comments..... Sieging 183 cities would be boring! omg....welcome to siege total war? no thanks.
I pretty love the new system just playing sieges in just the capital of the province. so that's 1/2 1/4 cities all around. And the fact that when sieging region cities or minor cities aswell, you could see it on the distance. That's epic too.

Good job CA

I agree with that but the thing that I do not agree is the fact that they have made most of the cities that were suppose to be siegeable as siege battles. They should have made more provinces in the Mediterranean because that area was more urbanized and it should have more cities. It is really silly to see the capital of Sarmatia as a siege battle and Syracuse as a field battle. I agree with the motif of the decision but the implementation is quite a bummer.

On Topic: However, the only thing i can complain on is the arrow tracers and the impact animations.

I concur. I understood that the ballistae have not such a big killing power but just disruptive, like the chariots and elephants. The problem is that people should not just take off 10 meters up in the air like that. It looks ridiculous.

[torongill]

I agree with that but the thing that I do not agree is the fact that they have made most of the cities that were suppose to be siegeable as siege battles. They should have made more provinces in the Mediterranean because that area was more urbanized and it should have more cities. It is really silly to see the capital of Sarmatia as a siege battle and Syracuse as a field battle. I agree with the motif of the decision but the implementation is quite a bummer.

I have repeated this over and over and over again - a siege is not just the siege itself, it's also a representation of the conquest of a region that is more difficult to conquer. Some regions were and should be more difficult to conquer, that's why there are relatively more sieges per region in Transalpine Europe than in Italy or Greece. The regions however are much larger, resulting in a slower temp of expansion, also authentic due to the nature of the tribes in Germany and Eastern Europe.

That's of course my personal belief, not a statement by CA.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I have repeated this over and over and over again - a siege is not just the siege itself, it's also a representation of the conquest of a region that is more difficult to conquer. Some regions were and should be more difficult to conquer, that's why there are relatively more sieges per region in Transalpine Europe than in Italy or Greece. The regions however are much larger, resulting in a slower temp of expansion, also authentic due to the nature of the tribes in Germany and Eastern Europe.

That's of course my personal belief, not a statement by CA.

Please tell us ...

How much time took to rome to conquer and contol Italy ?
How much time took to rome to conquer gaul?

Make a comparion and you will get your answer.

[Zeybek]

I have repeated this over and over and over again - a siege is not just the siege itself, it's also a representation of the conquest of a region that is more difficult to conquer. Some regions were and should be more difficult to conquer, that's why there are relatively more sieges per region in Transalpine Europe than in Italy or Greece. The regions however are much larger, resulting in a slower temp of expansion, also authentic due to the nature of the tribes in Germany and Eastern Europe.

Uh, does nobody care about the fact that there were actual major population centres worth representing such as Corinth and Rhodes in Greece, way more so that the periphery of the Gallic world? Slower temp of expansion could be shown with more of those small regions but less cities, thus giving less sieges but a slower expansion rate. This whole 'less sieges is good' excuse is really lame. Greece was more urbanized. I'm OK with fighting maybe three or four extra sieges in the Agean in exchange for having vibrant, interesting and historically important polities represented (none of them really existed in Northern Italy). In the grand scheme of things it doesn't make the game 'Total Siege War' like so many like to argue, it's just liek four more sieges. I mean come on, this CA apologism and willingness to just ignore one's own internal logic when combating percieved whiners is just mind-boggling. But I guess the magic wand of 'balancing' makes everything CA does 'k in the eyes of some.

[Petroniu]

Uh, does nobody care about the fact that there were actual major population centres worth representing such as Corinth and Rhodes in Greece, way more so that the periphery of the Gallic world? Slower temp of expansion could be shown with more of those small regions but less cities, thus giving less sieges but a slower expansion rate. This whole 'less sieges is good' excuse is really lame. Greece was more urbanized. I'm OK with fighting maybe three or four extra sieges in the Agean in exchange for having vibrant, interesting and historically important polities represented (none of them really existed in Northern Italy). In the grand scheme of things it doesn't make the game 'Total Siege War' like so many like to argue, it's just liek four more sieges. I mean come on, this CA apologism and willingness to just ignore one's own internal logic when combating percieved whiners is just mind-boggling. But I guess the magic wand of 'balancing' makes everything CA does 'k in the eyes of some.

You know what is the real sad thing? CA bases this decision on their metrics. Their metrics exist since Steam and Steam exists with TW since ETW and in ETW there were no ****ing sieges worth playing. Everyone avoided those stupid fort sieges. Killed replayability like hell! Until S2 there were no actual sieges worth fighting and in S2 you only had castles because that it is how things went down in Japan.
Basically, all this means that they are based on metrics that are taken from games where sieges were avoided due to underdevelopment!

[Keyser]

And what prevent you of defending a city/region with a field battle ?

[ElvenKind]

What else do you not like SO FAR?

A complaint threads..

This is my complaint so far.

[August]

By the dog, the reduction of number of sieges is the greatest leap TW had made for it's late game since the MTW!
It boggles my mind how could anyone miss having to capture one city after another ESPECIALLY considering how morose siege pathing and siege AI is in every Total War game to date.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

This is a thread for the many different complaint threads. I'm trying to contain the spam threads so we can be more organized.

If I cannot defend a city what is the point of having it? I want more sieges, they should change it. What else do you not like SO FAR?

Sorry but wasn't you saying the game is awesome?
Anyway no you cNnot defend cities anymore , apart the capitals of provinces.

Since there are 187 regions each with a city and 53 cpitals of provinces , you can guess how many are defenseless...

They can have a garrison , but once engaged will have to go on field battles. And since now if I understood well only a limited number of armies are allowed to move , when engaged will be by an attacking army .... And we know that usually garrisons aren't that strong.

[pericles_plato]

Sorry but wasn't you saying the game is awesome?
Anyway no you cNnot defend cities anymore , apart the capitals of provinces.

Since there are 187 regions each with a city and 53 cpitals of provinces , you can guess how many are defenseless...

They can have a garrison , but once engaged will have to go on field battles. And since now if I understood well only a limited number of armies are allowed to move , when engaged will be by an attacking army .... And we know that usually garrisons aren't that strong.

I stand by my comment. I'm just trying to make this place more civil. It is to barbaric. I'm sorry for bloody trying.

[Huberto]

It is to barbaric.

The game is too barbaric.

[pericles_plato]

Nvm, no one understands. As there are many complaint threads and a new one just closed, this is for complaints. No agreeing with CA basically. Only their faults. It has to be this way to keep it civil or all hell get loose.
If no one wants to do this.. fine. I do not care anymore. Let this place continue to be barbaric.. I thought I was on reddit by what I read.
I'm just trying to make this place more civil.

[HusKatten]

Nvm, no one understands. As there are many complaint threads and a new one just closed, this is for complaints. No agreeing with CA basically. Only their faults. It has to be this way to keep it civil or all hell get loose.
If no one wants to do this.. fine. I do not care anymore. Let this place continue to be barbaric.. I thought I was on reddit by what I read.
I'm just trying to make this place more civil.

Sorry for Off Topic: It's a good thought, but the accounts who comes up with complaints usually always creates their own thread. There even is a thread for making suggestions for Rome 2, but that thread is over-flooded so everyone keeps creating their own threads so that it has a better chance on being discovered by other members. A big complaint thread is destined to take the same path as the big suggestion thread. We would need an internet equivalent to Vercingetorix in order to unite these forum barbarians.

On Topic: However, the only thing i can complain on is the arrow tracers and the impact animations.

[Am7]

Give the player a choice of action. If a player gets tired of the constant siege of AI, then there should be a button. To make the soldiers in the city came out to meet the enemy.

[pericles_plato]

Haha, oh well. Can't say I didn't try.
I have no complaints. I think Prom has a little bit of complaints. *joke*