I really saw Heaven.(no joke)

[Jesu_follower]

Hello. Im srvnt and i just saw heaven. No there are some skeptics, but this was real. I wasnt high, drunk, sleepy, or influenced in anyway. i was wide awake and my mind wasnt even on the subject of Heaven. I am a new Christian, but not new to Christianity. I was at my cp just reading some forums, I blinkd and i was in field. I could feel the grass between my toes and under my feet. I could feel the wind in my hair, the smell of the ocean, and the smell of the grass. I could hear the ocean. I was kinda creeped out. I looked and I saw HIM, He came and gave me a hug that seemed to last forever, i could feel him, smell him, see him, hear him breath and talk to me. He just wanted to let me know that He was here for me, and HE was coming real soon. So yeah you may not believe in heaven, but i know wat i saw, felt, and heard. Heaven is real. He=Jesus Christ.

[God]

Hello. Im srvnt and i just saw heaven. No there are some skeptics, but this was real. I wasnt high, drunk, sleepy, or influenced in anyway. i was wide awake and my mind wasnt even on the subject of Heaven. I am a new Christian, but not new to Christianity. I was at my cp just reading some forums, I blinkd and i was in field. I could feel the grass between my toes and under my feet. I could feel the wind in my hair, the smell of the ocean, and the smell of the grass. I could hear the ocean. I was kinda creeped out. I looked and I saw HIM, He came and gave me a hug that seemed to last forever, i could feel him, smell him, see him, hear him breath and talk to me. He just wanted to let me know that He was here for me, and HE was coming real soon. So yeah you may not believe in heaven, but i know wat i saw, felt, and heard. Heaven is real. He=Jesus Christ.

Forgive me if I seem overly sceptical...

Many people have claimed to have 'seen heaven'. Why is your word more reliable than a muslim who claims the same thing?

Doesn't this just destroy the point of free-will? If Jesus is simply going to start showing people heaven the 'we have free will to choose to believe in God or not' argument falls apart and God might as well appear and tell everyone he exists.

Why? Why did Jesus decide to bring you to heaven just to say 'I am coming soon'? Christians have been saying Jesus will return since the birth of Christianity itself. Seems a bit pointless to me...

So what did Jesus look like anyway?

[Confederate Soldier]

Well my friend I do truly hope it was real, but it is my human nature to be skeptical. Well I do know that judging on how you act on here if anyone was to be allowed to see heaven it would be you. Perhaps its an vision. Perhaps you are meant to be an prophet. Follow your dreams and find out...At least your visions are nice and cozy. Mine deals with the end of Mankind. So I would say its best that I don’t follow that dream. O and one more thing, it takes guts to post what you did on here. We all know that by doing so you are opening yourself up to attacks from not only the members of S.I.N., but from your own brethren from F.A.I.T.H. too.

[Last Roman]

Sorry, but I don't believe in divine interventions and the sorts

[rayzzz]

interpreting what He said."He was coming real soon" would probably mean: The end of the world, Jesus Christ is coming again, or you are going to die very soon.

[Jesu_follower]

Hi. I saw heaven yes. but to wat Jesus looked like its, hard to describe, i knew it was Him but, its like looking in mirror then looking away and forgeting wat ur wearing. does that explain it? God has told us that He was real from the 'get-go". I believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven, not islam, hinduism, or bhuddism, or just being baptised/going to church/ or being a 'moral' person. It may sound narrow minded but think of it this way: God is the Father, right, so He set a us a rule like a worldly father, example a father will teach his kid how to ride a bike, there is only one way to ride a bike, balance, God has sent us one way, Jesus. so its simple "follow Him or u dont ride the bike". And free will is still free, we have a choice to invite Christ into our lives or not too.

[Anarius]

Hi. I saw heaven yes. but to wat Jesus looked like its, hard to describe, i knew it was Him but, its like looking in mirror then looking away and forgeting wat ur wearing. does that explain it? God has told us that He was real from the 'get-go". I believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven, not islam, hinduism, or bhuddism, or just being baptised/going to church/ or being a 'moral' person. It may sound narrow minded but think of it this way: God is the Father, right, so He set a us a rule like a worldly father, example a father will teach his kid how to ride a bike, there is only one way to ride a bike, balance, God has sent us one way, Jesus. so its simple "follow Him or u dont ride the bike". And free will is still free, we have a choice to invite Christ into our lives or not too.

If god is like that, I would rather burn forever than listening to him. I'll get used to it eventually, and I would get to meat alot of people there. Like Bon Scott!

[Niles Crane]

I'm fifteen. Is it too late to be baptized?

[MaximiIian]

Hello. Im srvnt and i just saw heaven.

Prove it. Show us some photographs, videgraphic recording, audio. Something. Unless you do that, you're basically barking in the wind.

No there are some skeptics, but this was real.

My ass it was.

I wasnt high, drunk

I was at my cp just reading some forums, I blinkd and i was in field. I could feel the grass between my toes and under my feet. I could feel the wind in my hair, the smell of the ocean, and the smell of the grass. I could hear the ocean. I was kinda creeped out. I looked and I saw HIM, He came and gave me a hug that seemed to last forever, i could feel him, smell him, see him, hear him breath and talk to me.

You were either tripping on something mighty crazy or you were having one of those realistic dreams. I've had realistic dreams before. You can feel, hear, see, etc. everything. It seems so real. Hell, I've been shot and stabbed in some of mine. It hurts. A lot.
But it's a dream. A figment of one's imagination. Nothing more.

[boofhead]

Prove it. Show us some photographs, videgraphic recording, audio. Something. Unless you do that, you're basically barking in the wind.


My ass it was.





You were either tripping on something mighty crazy or you were having one of those realistic dreams. I've had realistic dreams before. You can feel, hear, see, etc. everything. It seems so real. Hell, I've been shot and stabbed in some of mine. It hurts. A lot.
But it's a dream. A figment of one's imagination. Nothing more.

Mate demanding that someone produce a video-recording of an out-of-body type experience is the most ridiculously stupid thing I have ever heard.

It's as dumb as if I said 'I had a dream about flying to the moon the other night' and you come back saying 'Prove it, where is your evidence.'

Well, I guess you are only 16 so you wouldn't know much about um....lots of things, including good manners and allowing someone else to believe what they believe without people degrading or belittling them.

Jesu, good for you, I hope it was real.

[MaximiIian]

Mate demanding that someone produce a video-recording of an out-of-body type experience is the most ridiculously stupid thing I have ever heard.

It was sarcasm. The point was that without hard evidence, religious claims are basically ****.

It's as dumb as if I said 'I had a dream about flying to the moon the other night' and you come back saying 'Prove it, where is your evidence.'

There's a difference between having a dream and realizing that it was a dream, and having a dream and thinking that it actually happened.

Well, I guess you are only 16 so you wouldn't know much about um....lots of things, including good manners and allowing someone else to believe what they believe without people degrading or belittling them.

Well, if it isn't the pot calling the kettle black. Calling me belittling when you are belittling me due to my age.
Don't be so quick to presume things of those whom you do not know. :wink:

[Jesu_follower]

Hi me again. First: i have also had realistic dreams where you SWEAR it was real, this WAS real.
@ Octavion

Being baptised doesnt get one to heaven. Christ does.
And about Heaven being populated, i saw one thing, i didnt explore heaven. Its like being put in the middle of Kansas with nothing around you and coming up with the conclusion that no one lives in Kansas.

@ Cluny the Scourge

Why need a moon or tides in Heaven? I have read Revelation and many other books in the Bible about Heaven and i believe it will be a place much like earth, with oceans, lakes, forests, fields, but without sin, pain, and death. I believe that, "There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun,for the Lord God will give them the light. And they will reign for ever and ever" Revelation 22:5

@Caius Britannicus and Corporal Hicks

I am not roman, i am of japanese, chinese, okinawain, french, and english decent. no roman. An i do not own Gladiator and i havent seen it in all most a couple of years.

[Cluny the Scourge]

@ Cluny the Scourge

Why need a moon or tides in Heaven? I have read Revelation and many other books in the Bible about Heaven and i believe it will be a place much like earth, with oceans, lakes, forests, fields, but without sin, pain, and death.

Forests are made up of trees. It is a necessary element in the make-up of what makes a tree a tree that it grows from a sapling, seeds other trees, withers and dies. If it didn't do that it wouldn't be a tree - it would be something else. That's death.

The same applies to the grass and whatever other vegetation grows in these fields you mention. And to the microbes and insect-life that are necessary to make the soil healthy enough to support that vegetation.

It all grows, flourishes, then dies, in a complex interchange of chemical energies. It's ecology.

Dead oceans without any sea-life, tidal movements defining their currents and patterns, are not oceans - they're just really big pools of pointless water, existing for no purpose, supporting no life, dead, empty, meaningless.

Human beings also have necessary constituent elements that make them 'human'. If we didn't have pain and suffering, we wouldn't BE human beings anymore, but something else that thought and felt and existed in a way completely ALIEN to us.

Your idea of heaven as a vast garden recreating a stagnant, empty version of Earth is sick, and inhabited by inhuman monsters who don't even remember what pain feels like.

[LegionnaireX]

Prove it. Show us some photographs, videgraphic recording, audio. Something. Unless you do that, you're basically barking in the wind.

Um, skepticism is a good thing but what your asking for is ridiculous. I'm not saying I believe this guy, but asking for such evidence in this particular case is like asking somebody to take video of their dream.

Actually, encouraging him will only mess up the life of this poor kid even more than what the church and other brainwashers have already done.

You know that is just absurd and unreasonable. Going to church improves the lives of millions of people around the globe. Statistical studies show that people who attend some sort of church (be it any religion) live longer on average than people who don't. Even if religion is a falsehood or a lie, to claim it screws up peoples lives is just plain ignorant.

[Fenris]

You know that is just absurd and unreasonable. Going to church improves the lives of millions of people around the globe. Statistical studies show that people who attend some sort of church (be it any religion) live longer on average than people who don't. Even if religion is a falsehood or a lie, to claim it screws up peoples lives is just plain ignorant.

Life is not just about living long.

[ZaPPPa]

You know that is just absurd and unreasonable. Going to church improves the lives of millions of people around the globe.

And it messes up the lives of billions of people who don't go.

Even if religion is a falsehood or a lie, to claim it screws up peoples lives is just plain ignorant.

Tell that to the poor girl who got pregnant because she didn't know what condoms were.
Tell that to the poor girl who got raped and cannot get an abortion.
Tell that to the poor man who has to fight to euthanize his comatose and terminally ill wife and has to hear that his own president is against him.

The churches Pro-life attitude makes me sick! They have no qualms telling a teenage girl that she cannot get an abortion, but where are they when she is homeless and moneyless because she cannot afford to care for the baby?

It screws up peoples lives period!.. Turning your head away from it doesn't make it go away.. But keep turning it, because the church has become damn good at it.

[LegionnaireX]

And it messes up the lives of billions of people who don't go.

Tell that to the poor girl who got pregnant because she didn't know what condoms were.
Tell that to the poor girl who got raped and cannot get an abortion.
Tell that to the poor man who has to fight to euthanize his comatose and terminally ill wife and has to hear that his own president is against him.

The churches Pro-life attitude makes me sick! They have no qualms telling a teenage girl that she cannot get an abortion, but where are they when she is homeless and moneyless because she cannot afford to care for the baby?

It screws up peoples lives period!.. Turning your head away from it doesn't make it go away.. But keep turning it, because the church has become damn good at it.

Oh please. Are you seriously trying to say that religion is the only thing at fault for such situations? I think you are the one who is not thinking rationally here. You are taking the small minority and forcing it to represent the masses.

Most religious girls know damn well what a condom is
Most religious institutions in the world would allow an abortion in such a case
Uh, since when does one man's view represent billions? Most Christians I know would support Euthanasia in certain cases.

And whether or not the pregnant girl gets an abortion or not is not dictated by the church at all. It is mostly a personal matter for the pregnant girl or between parent and daughter.

You seem to be asserting that religion is the root of the world's social problems. There is no evidence to suggest this, there might even be evidence to the contrary. Your position is illogical and unsupported.

[Locky]

And it messes up the lives of billions of people who don't go.


Tell that to the poor girl who got pregnant because she didn't know what condoms were.
Tell that to the poor girl who got raped and cannot get an abortion.
Tell that to the poor man who has to fight to euthanize his comatose and terminally ill wife and has to hear that his own president is against him.

The churches Pro-life attitude makes me sick! They have no qualms telling a teenage girl that she cannot get an abortion, but where are they when she is homeless and moneyless because she cannot afford to care for the baby?

It screws up peoples lives period!.. Turning your head away from it doesn't make it go away.. But keep turning it, because the church has become damn good at it.

Haha, my god does exist. :tooth: Excellent post.

[Niles Crane]

@ Jesu

Sounds like Heaven is an empty place. Hell must be the place for everyone to go. I can't wait for the parties down there.

[Marcus Scaurus]

Your experience is culturally coloured (dunno if these are the right words). What if you have grown up in islamic Iran? Than you would've seen Muhammed standing at the gates of heaven instead of Jesus.

[boofhead]

Your experience is culturally coloured (dunno if these are the right words). What if you have grown up in islamic Iran? Than you would've seen Muhammed standing at the gates of heaven instead of Jesus.

I think you are right. Expectations could very well have an effect on what you see there (whether it an inner-space of the mind.......or somewhere else). I have heard of people who have had so-called near-death experiences (NDEs) say much the same.

[Marcus Scaurus]

I would like to hear such an experience from a person who has never been in contact with Christianity, for example an native of some tiny island in Indonesia or the jungles of Africa, untouched by western missionaries and their ideas. I wonder whether they would see Jesus standing at the gates of heaven or some local god welcoming them to the Walhalla.

He just wanted to let me know that He was here for me, and HE was coming real soon.

These words sound familiar to me. Wait, yes, they're from the Bible! In Mark 9 Jesus says that he will come back in not more than a few decades. Well, there's not much difference between two decades and two millenia.

[boofhead]

I would like to hear such an experience from a person who has never been in contact with Christianity, for example an native of some tiny island in Indonesia or the jungles of Africa, untouched by western missionaries and their ideas. I wonder whether they would see Jesus standing at the gates of heaven or some local god welcoming them to the Walhalla.

It's sort of relevant but I have a book on dreams and it talks about dreamstate archetypes, i.e. common dream symbols that seem to appear across all cultures, from the extremely primitive to the most advanced.

Things like SNAKES. Snakes are dreamt about by people who have never seen them (Eskimos etc).

Whether it is from (unproven) genetic memory or just handed-down myths like dragons etc which are in almost every culture who knows?

So in some cases it seems dream symbolism may be culturally irrelevant, i.e. the primitives you mention could see Jesus!

It's all a mystery, though, and probably better staying that way!

[Marcus Scaurus]

What's the title and author of the book?

It's all a mystery, though, and probably better staying that way!

Why? You'll kill most of the scientific work that way.

[Tiwaz]

It's sort of relevant but I have a book on dreams and it talks about dreamstate archetypes, i.e. common dream symbols that seem to appear across all cultures, from the extremely primitive to the most advanced.

Things like SNAKES. Snakes are dreamt about by people who have never seen them (Eskimos etc).

Whether it is from (unproven) genetic memory or just handed-down myths like dragons etc which are in almost every culture who knows?

So in some cases it seems dream symbolism may be culturally irrelevant, i.e. the primitives you mention could see Jesus!

It's all a mystery, though, and probably better staying that way!

Did eskimos BEFORE contact with rest of the world see snakes in their dreams? In modern society it is possible to know of many subjects which one has never seen.

Television is such a wonderful thing.

[Cluny the Scourge]

There's an ocean in Heaven? What the hell is a ****ing OCEAN doing on a transcendant plane of existence? What moon regulates its tides? Are there holy fish in it, and holy octopuses? Holy Octopus, Batman.

[Sammur-amat]

i was in field. I could feel the grass between my toes and under my feet. I could feel the wind in my hair, the smell of the ocean, and the smell of the grass. I could hear the ocean. I was kinda creeped out.

Was there a Russel Crow? cuz that preety much sound like Gladiator...

[webbird]

in the past i made some expieriences with non-cristian and cristian religion and can say at least, it is not impossible to make divine expieriences when following one of the old ways, even cristianity.

And what ever he makes or sees, it seems much better then kids without any believes who think it`s cool to blast you out of live with a shot-gun.

[Caius Britannicus]

Was there a Russel Crow? cuz that preety much sound like Gladiator...

"If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled -- for you are in Elysium, and you're already dead!"

It does sound familiar. Maybe he watched Gladiator the night before. I always find it convenient that its always the DEEPLY religious that experience heaven or see Jesus etc etc. Why is God preaching to the choir? Why not come to those that need alittle more convincing than a 2000 year old book. What does God have to gain from appearing before someone who already believes beyond all other reasoning? Just from the way Jesu posts he didn't need his faith re-affirmed. You'll probably say he is making you, a devoted servent of god, his prophet for the coming of christ. Why you, whats special about you? Why not one of the other millions of christians? Or even better a person not of christian faith? Who better to claim the coming of Christ than a Buddist monk or muslim cleric?

[Ó Cathasaigh]

He must be roman, I mean it's elysium!

[bdh]

Hi me again. First: i have also had realistic dreams where you SWEAR it was real, this WAS real.

Regardless of the validity or meaning of your experience, its still a rather interesting thing to have happen to you, very rare indeed. I'd recommend you sit down and write about it much more clearly for a few hours, making sure to make it perfect, such that you don't forget it. Even if it was just a hullicination, theres no reason you can't draw meaning from it.

Who better to claim the coming of Christ than a Buddist monk or muslim cleric?

Well, it all depends how you define it. A lot of people subscribe to the idea of universal truths in all religions.

Human beings also have necessary constituent elements that make them 'human'. If we didn't have pain and suffering, we wouldn't BE human beings anymore, but something else that thought and felt and existed in a way completely ALIEN to us.

In the Christian tradition, the physical heaven (as is described in his hallucination) is Earth after the close of the story of revelations.

[mongoose]

Being baptised doesnt get one to heaven. Christ does.

Why only Christ? Why not Allah? Why not one of the Greek Gods? Why shouldn't just being a moral person be enough? How do you know that what you defined as "balance" in the bike example is Christ, rather than someother God, or simply morality itself?

[bdh]

Why only Christ? Why not Allah? Why not one of the Greek Gods? Why shouldn't be a moral person be enough? How do you know that what you defined as "balance" in the bike example is Christ, rather than someother God, or simply morality itself?

You're making things too complicated. Read a book about say Zen (perhaps the most pure religion in the world) and how it relates to Christianity. When it comes to heaven, theres no reason why Christ cannot exist in the abstract.

Just look at the Gospel of John (since this is christianity), God=Love.
There you go, gates of heaven are open because JC transcends his own religion.

[mongoose]

You're making things too complicated. Read a book about say Zen (perhaps the most pure religion in the world) and how it relates to Christianity. When it comes to heaven, theres no reason why Christ cannot exist in the abstract.

I'm not even talking about his existence in the first place, I was simply attacking the idea that he should be the only way to get into heaven.

Just look at the Gospel of John (since this is christianity), God=Love.
There you go, gates of heaven are open because JC transcends his own religion.

When people say "acept Christ" they usually mean that you should believe in what he stood for AND acutally worship him and only him. Jesu follwer did say that being a moral person isn't enough, so I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.

[bdh]

I'm not even talking about his existence in the first place, I was simply attacking the idea that he should be the only way to get into heaven.

I understand that, but thats not exactly what Jesu_follower is saying. Since he is a person who has had a deeply religious and irrational experience, he has come to understand a less dogmatic outlook on his faith.

I suppose you can attack the idea all you want, but I don't see why? At face value though, you're absolutely right.

When people say "acept Christ" they usually mean that you should believe in what he stood for AND acutally worship him and only him. Jesu follwer did say that being a moral person isn't enough, so I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.

But that begs the question then, who is Jesus
After all, given Jesu_follower's experience(which isn't exactly dogmatic), he's more than just some pseudo-historical diety based on a two thousand year old book. Or am I wrong about that point?

[The_Dark_Legion]

Why only Christ? Why not Allah? Why not one of the Greek Gods? Why shouldn't just being a moral person be enough? How do you know that what you defined as "balance" in the bike example is Christ, rather than someother God, or simply morality itself?

you know Allah is the same god as god!!! jews, christians, and muslims believes in the same God. anyways i know people who think allah is different from God!

[bthizle1]

Hello. Im srvnt and i just saw heaven. No there are some skeptics, but this was real. I wasnt high, drunk, sleepy, or influenced in anyway. i was wide awake and my mind wasnt even on the subject of Heaven. I am a new Christian, but not new to Christianity. I was at my cp just reading some forums, I blinkd and i was in field. I could feel the grass between my toes and under my feet. I could feel the wind in my hair, the smell of the ocean, and the smell of the grass. I could hear the ocean. I was kinda creeped out. I looked and I saw HIM, He came and gave me a hug that seemed to last forever, i could feel him, smell him, see him, hear him breath and talk to me. He just wanted to let me know that He was here for me, and HE was coming real soon. So yeah you may not believe in heaven, but i know wat i saw, felt, and heard. Heaven is real. He=Jesus Christ.

And you know this was Jesus Christ why? I'm going to go out on a ledge here and guess that you were mainly raised around Christianity more so than any other religion. I'm willing to bet that if you were raised around something like Buddhism you would have seen something very different. The mind is a crazy thing, and simply because you were in a field doesn't mean you were in heaven nor does seeing a man in a day dream mean that you've seen god. However I'm not saying you didn't, only you can make this up in your own mind.

Also, as most people have a different prespective on what heaven really is then that is proof enough to me that heaven exists only in our head. I still hope, however I do not let the hope become a belief as a false hope is not faith but merely something that comforts the human mind.

[Niles Crane]

Being baptised doesnt get one to heaven. Christ does.
And about Heaven being populated, i saw one thing, i didnt explore heaven. Its like being put in the middle of Kansas with nothing around you and coming up with the conclusion that no one lives in Kansas.

I'll take a risk. If Heaven and Kansas go together, Amsterdam and Hell must too.

[Pnutmaster]

Hell, I believe, is right outside Jerusalem. You know, that former ancient garbage dump. It's also very possible (since we're on the subject) that hell is Earth and that failure to lead a successful life according to Christianity sends you back to try your luck again.

[Richard]

By the OP's description, this does indeed sound like Elysium or Hades...not the Christian heaven.