Something is wrong with the Nile Delta

[General Maximus]

I had put up this issue in the pictured thread, but I think that I should post a proper classification of Nile Delta in this thread, and how mucked up it is.

So far, I have seen two screenshots and one trailer showing the Nile Delta. But as it turns out, they don't look like the real Nile Delta at all! They look mostly like a lush region sitting in the middle of desert with a single, awkwardly large river running through. CA probably ignored the fact that Nile Delta comprises of several rivers branching off when it is just about to join the Mediterranean. I can barely spot a little stream running off from this.

Here are the screenshots:

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There is the Cleopatra trailer which shows the Nile Delta. Look at 0:32 seconds for a proper view. I was not able to embed the video, TWC doesn't allow proper embedding now.

And here is how it looked in Rome Total War:

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And Medieval II Total War:

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And Empire:

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And finally Napoleon, which undoubtedly has the greatest detail of the Nile Delta ever in a TW game:

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Sorry for not all regions being seen properly in Napoleon screenshot, as I have not revealed that much of area. Again, I took these pics just to show you in a hurry last 5 minutes, so please forgive me for the bad quality.

So, did you spot the difference? It looks very lame compared to the detail shown in previous titles. I guess they wanted to allow the players to sail their fleets in the river, but it is too large to be a river. And no branching rivers, which are the true reason for the fertile lush in the islands that lie in between.

Someone has raised this issue already on Totalwar Forums. And surprisingly, his name also turns out to be having the word 'Maximus' in his name....what a coincidence. But that's not me for sure.

So CA, I beg you, please fix this. I was very confident about this game, but this looks utterly stupid and can be a game breaker for someone who like accurate geography, such as me.

[Romans]

i always think so to

[kamikazee786]

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thats a new screenshot for me, must have missed it +rep

[0ldboy]

thats a new screenshot for me, must have missed it +rep

I missed this screen too! Lovely...

I think we should be grateful that the Nile is navigable ! Also I can see rivers running off the main Nile. Looks great to me.

[Clock]

I can understand it might be irritating for those who love their accurate geography in a video game, but I can't say I really care, just as I don't care about the unrealistic city scale proportions or the giant men walking around the map. They probably just made it bigger for clearer fleet movement/action.

[General Maximus]

I can understand it might be irritating for those who love their accurate geography in a video game, but I can't say I really care, just as I don't care about the unrealistic city scale proportions or the giant men walking around the map. They probably just made it bigger for clearer fleet movement/action.

But they should at least give the rest of the rivers at the end of the Delta too. They must have made it stupid only for gameplay reasons, I agree. But it is so greatly disturbing that giant men walking and unrealistically giant city of Alexandria (which makes Memphis unspottable) is nothing compared to this.

[Darvich]

There ARE other rivers at the end of the delta.

[Sabre120]

I can understand it might be irritating for those who love their accurate geography in a video game, but I can't say I really care, just as I don't care about the unrealistic city scale proportions or the giant men walking around the map. They probably just made it bigger for clearer fleet movement/action.

Agreed, it's most likely for a degree of clarity when using fleets in the river, people don't want to be trying to navigate through one of the delta's when it won't allow them to.

[DogSoldierSPQR]

I can understand it might be irritating for those who love their accurate geography in a video game, but I can't say I really care, just as I don't care about the unrealistic city scale proportions or the giant men walking around the map. They probably just made it bigger for clearer fleet movement/action.

Giant men LOOOL But yeah I second your comment. It looks good the way it is to be honest. I never really noticed anything, but now that I can compare them both, I still don't care either.

[SamueleD]

There, in the second image you posted, towards the coast and west of the main river, are those just pools in the swamp or are those other (non-navigable) branches of the river?

If you look closely a bit more upstream you'll see that it's indeed another branch, connected to the main one, or at least that's what it looks like to me.

[TotalWarker]

You can see a couple of western tributaries in that second screenshot, and cant really see the east side of it properly in either.

I'm sure it'll be fine, looking forward to seeing more of the campaign map over the next couple of weeks, it looks gorgeous so far

[Stavroforos]

I think it's important to note that the Nile will actually be navigable in Rome II, something which hasn't been the case in previous Total War games. Making it navigable has probably caused it to increase in size for reasons of gameplay and for the game engine, which is probably why there has been a decrease in the amount of detail available there.

[Modestus]

I think it's important to note that the Nile will actually be navigable in Rome II, something which hasn't been the case in previous Total War games. Making it navigable has probably caused it to increase in size for reasons of gameplay and for the game engine, which is probably why there has been a decrease in the amount of detail available there.

Or as I have being saying your zoomed in way more on the RTW2 campaign map then in previous games and you may actually be looking at an approximation of the actual tactical maps. Navigable rivers would need to be out of proportion if they were showing us a glimpse of the underlying tactical map.

Another interesting aspect is that a large chunk of the campaign map is covered by Alexandria so even if its just a representation of the city it still allows you to lay siege to Alexandria from numerous and widely spaced positions . Looking at the size of Rome it would appear you could lay siege to that city just after you enter the region which would effectively make that region have a single tactical map, the siege map for Rome.

[Markas]

In the second screenshot I see at least two western branches of the Nile. I doubt we'll be seeing the seven Distributaries that Pliny the Elder described, but hey, there's only so much map when you have a navigable river that needs to be at least the size of a ship icon pointing west-east.

[Adreno]

i think the navigable part of the river has to be quite wide so fleets can move past eachother, thats why the scale is a little more off than normal..

[Emperor Domitianus]

True. In the newer screen the other branches are there but covered by the vegetation. For the need of making it navigable they had to increase the size of the central stream. I see nothing wrong in it. Instead look at how the map of RTW and MTW2 are pratically the same and that only with ETW and NTW the engine has been improved and changed. Now with this RTW2 CA is starting a new Era.

[✠Ikaroqx✠]

I also saw this when I first saw the screenshots, but honestly it doesn't faze me in the slightest.

[Swamidude]

Do you know if there will be other rivers that are navigable? Or is it just the nile?

[Lord Tomyris]

Do you know if there will be other rivers that are navigable? Or is it just the nile?

There are 30 Sea regions in total, three of which are ‘Great Rivers’ – so Rivers you can sail fleets down.

Source: http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/t...4/preview.html

As Stavroforos said, the Rhine and Danube will probably be the other two.

[Markas]

So CA, I beg you, please fix this. I was very confident about this game, but this looks utterly stupid and can be a game breaker for someone who like accurate geography, such as me.

I fear being in the minority you may have to deal with it.