Important river waterways

[uku123]

So it was mentioned in interview that there will be 3 ship navigable rivers in game.
One of them is confirmed to be nile, which i guess includes canal into red sea for gameplay reasons.

But what could other 2 be? What were the most important waterways in area in this era?

I would assuma that one could be Danube, as its all across europe which gives alot of gameplay for central europe and it also serves as northern border for empire.

But third river? i have no idea. I am thinking they could try to connect black sea with caspian for gameplay reasons, altho there were no canals avalable in the area these times it would make sence to improve gameplay and as we know CA is not always for maximum historical accuray.

So what do you think? what are the 2 unknown important shipable rivers in game?

[Augustus Scipius]

Judging by the faction maps, Rhine and Danube look rather wide and navigable.

[DogSoldierSPQR]

I was going to say Suez Canal but that's basically the Nile, or right next to it.

[uku123]

Oh I forgot this one. It is pretty significant in modern history, not sure about ancient history though but the Suez Canal?

There was canal from Nile into red sea instead suez around that era. i would assume its counted same as nile not seperate waterway

[DogSoldierSPQR]

There was canal from Nile into red sea instead suez around that era. i would assume its counted same as nile not seperate waterway

Haha was hoping to have changed it before anyone commented because I realised my mistake. I soon realised that it was in Egypt and I was hoping it wasn't a modern name for the Nile or something like that

[DogSoldierSPQR]

I was going to say Rhine too. I have no knowledge on it but since the Romans saw it as a barrier between Gaul and Germania and always referred to it, it must've been pretty considerable in size.

[Sabre120]

Suez Canal was artificially made in the mid 19th century, however there is evidence to suggest small canals that ran from the Nile to the Red Sea were in existence in ancient times, so that might perhaps be a possibility.

[DogSoldierSPQR]

Suez Canal was artificially made in the mid 19th century, however there is evidence to suggest small canals that ran from the Nile to the Red Sea were in existence in ancient times, so that might perhaps be a possibility.

More routes in make for a harder defence and more options for an attacker. Could work, but from the look of the nile we have seen so far, it didn't look like there were any minor routes.

[HusKatten]

Since the Indian Ocean has received so much attention in R2s' map, it would be odd if a canal between the Mediterranean and the Red sea isn't present. Also, Wiki states that a Ptolemy king re-built the "suez canal" which the persians once built. And since CA leans much towards popular history autenticty, wiki is a valid source of information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal

[Kinjo]

It will be interesting to see what a rivier battle will look like if 2 fleets meet in one. Also I wonder if fleets that are in rivers can assist in land battles that take place next to a river, it would be kind of cool to have some range support from tem at least.

[torongill]

The Nile is the first one, but no canal I afraid.
the Danube is the second one(visible in the top of the image in the first seconds of the campaign map overview) and apparently navigable for much longer distance.
The third one, which exhibits the same features as the Nile and Danube in the artistic representation of the campaign map, is Rhine, but it will be navigable for a much shorter length.
We don't know, because we haven't seen Mesopotamia, but there is still a chance that one of the two rivers might be navigable. It's a slim one and all evidence points to the Rhine, but until we see some images nothing is certain.

@Kinjo the description of the Battle of the Nile in Rome 2 describes exactly that

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

Rhine, Danube, Nile and the Tigris/Euphrates. All historically acted as "frontier points" for the later Empire, and areas of heavy militarisation. If there are only going to be 3, then I would say the Rhine, Tigris and Nile (Tigris simply because of the size of it).

But I dunno; who says theres "definitely" only gonna be 3? There could be more....

[spartan_warrior]

But I dunno; who says theres "definitely" only gonna be 3? There could be more....

The latest Strategy Informer article said there was 30 sea regions, 3 of which are navigable "great" rivers. We know for sure two are the Nile and Danube, and the other one will be the Rhine, based upon the artistic representation seen from the Seubi faction reveal.

[uku123]

"There are 30 Sea regions in total, three of which are ‘Great Rivers’ – so Rivers you can sail fleets down"

from http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/t...4/preview.html

[King_Porus]

Rhine, Danube, Nile and the Tigris/Euphrates. All historically acted as "frontier points" for the later Empire, and areas of heavy militarisation. If there are only going to be 3, then I would say the Rhine, Tigris and Nile (Tigris simply because of the size of it).

But I dunno; who says theres "definitely" only gonna be 3? There could be more....

You can already clearly see the Danube in the video (top right corner at the very beginning of map footage) and it looks about as wide as the Nile and we all saw the Nile in the trailer, so it's a throw up between the Rhine and the Tigris I would say. A interview confirmed there would only be 3 navigable rivers, it's a shame, I would want both the Tigris and Rhine to be navigable.

[sleepyx732]

I'm curious as to why the pictures of the Danube river stop near the Macedon territory. Judging from the pictures on google, it should extend to near the Suebi area. However this would bring it really close to the Rhine river, leading me to believe Rhine is the third.

If they can't bother to make these rivers as long as they are suppose to be, there should be way more then 3.

[torongill]

I'm curious as to why the pictures of the Danube river stop near the Macedon territory. Judging from the pictures on google, it should extend to near the Suebi area. However this would bring it really close to the Rhine river, leading me to believe Rhine is the third.

If they can't bother to make these rivers as long as they are suppose to be, there should be way more then 3.

Not Macedonian territory, Illyrian. The reason is that at that point(The Iron Gates) the Danube passes through narrows and is much faster and treacherous. A rowing ship travelling upstream would find it practically impossible to maintain forward speed due to the current, not to mention the danger of getting sucked in a whirlpool or deflected towards the stone shores.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Offcourse it has to be the Rhine and the Danube. These two rivers are two of the main reasons why the northern borders could hold so long. Many people aren't aware of it but waterways were the most important transport and traderoutes of the antiquity. A major factor of for the stability of the roman empire was that the mediterranean sea allowed fast troop movements and easy traderoutes which created wealth. One of the major routes from Italy to the Germanic provinces was not over the alpes. No, you would have traveled from Rome to Puteoli or Napoli and from there per ship to souther gaul, with a smaller ship the Rhoene up to modern Lyon and further, several times changing a river and a few kilometers on land to the rhine where you could travel further north. This route was not only much faster than crossing the alpes, it also allowed to take heavy carriage with you.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Offcourse it has to be the Rhine and the Danube. These two rivers are two of the main reasons why the northern borders could hold so long. Many people aren't aware of it but waterways were the most important transport and traderoutes of the antiquity. A major factor of for the stability of the roman empire was that the mediterranean sea allowed fast troop movements and easy traderoutes which created wealth. One of the major routes from Italy to the Germanic provinces was not over the alpes. No, you would have traveled from Rome to Puteoli or Napoli and from there per ship to souther gaul, with a smaller ship the Rhoene up to modern Lyon and further, several times changing a river and a few kilometers on land to the rhine where you could travel further north. This route was not only much faster than crossing the alpes, it also allowed to take heavy carriage with you.

Rhine Danube and Elbe .

[Gorhaax]

Rhine Danube and Elbe .

The Nile and Danube are shown in the video as navigable and the Rhine looks like it's partially navable from the Suebi and Iceni factions images.


Where do you come up with the Elbe?