NO SIEGE OF NUMANTIA

[Breoghan]

After a few months of informations about the next Total War game, i 'm sure that Celtiberians will not be a playable faction, and, even worst, their home region will not have a walled city....
I think this ruins the inmersion not only for the spanish comunity of players, but for the rest of the players with a minimal of historical knowledge, because the Celtiberian wars, including the various sieges of Numancia, were facts that marked the identity and the army of the old roman Republic...
Myself, i'm thinking if even i will buy the game

[shadowflare1995]

Not to be mean, but I don't think nationalism (I think this is nationalism) is a reason to not buy a game. I'm Spanish but I don't mind. The game still offers so much and an unplayable faction shouldn't destroy your perception of whether or not its a good game. It's not an attack or prejudice against Spanish people, at least I don't think it is. And, most importantly, the game isn't out yet. There's still about three months to go, so hang in there. Don't let nationalism get in the way of enjoying what I'm sure will be a great game.

[Breoghan]

Not to be mean, but I don't think nationalism (I think this is nationalism) is a reason to not buy a game. I'm Spanish but I don't mind. The game still offers so much and an unplayable faction shouldn't destroy your perception of whether or not its a good game. It's not an attack or prejudice against Spanish people, at least I don't think it is. And, most importantly, the game isn't out yet. There's still about three months to go, so hang in there. Don't let nationalism get in the way of enjoying what I'm sure will be a great game.

This is not about "nationalism", although i would love some of consideration (never expected) with the spanish community, no, this is because a game "so-called historic" never should ignore the real importance of the celtiberian wars in Rome's history...

P.S. How the hell have you guessed i'm spanish?
P.S. 2: Buy the game is a temptation i think i will not avoid...despite CA ignore my ancestors...
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[Breoghan]

Double post, sorry...

[Smartbomb]

Not to be mean, but I don't think nationalism (I think this is nationalism) is a reason to not buy a game. I'm Spanish but I don't mind. The game still offers so much and an unplayable faction shouldn't destroy your perception of whether or not its a good game. It's not an attack or prejudice against Spanish people, at least I don't think it is. And, most importantly, the game isn't out yet. There's still about three months to go, so hang in there. Don't let nationalism get in the way of enjoying what I'm sure will be a great game.

Not really nationalism just upset over the fact that the Iberians have been given a back of the bus treatment in almost every TW game. I'm not complaining, but I can see how Iberian faction fans are a little upset over this kind of like how the Seleucids got snubbed out of a big 9 faction role.

[Pazu the Kitsune]

[Petroniu]

Numantia is a region in the province of Cartaginensis, as seen in the Carthage faction preview.

Indeed, it is not the capital city and it will not have walls... That does suck. But maybe the map is different on release. Just think of how at first Macedon had 3 regions and when Epirus came out it had a previously owned Macedonian region and also Rhodes was not a city on the map anymore.
Just hope for the best at this point!

[Breoghan]

Numantia is a region in the province of Cartaginensis, as seen in the Carthage faction preview.

Indeed, it is not the capital city and it will not have walls... That does suck. But maybe the map is different on release. Just think of how at first Macedon had 3 regions and when Epirus came out it had a previously owned Macedonian region and also Rhodes was not a city on the map anymore.
Just hope for the best at this point!

Petronius, i hope CA will made a future DLC with Dacia as a playable faction...

[DarthShizNit]

Then don't buy it. BOOM, problem solved.

[Soveriegn]

Give it a few months after release, the DLC for $15 will no doubt have them, or someone else who was 'left out.'

[fightermedic]

yea it kinda sucks
one of the most characteristic and famous sieges in hellenism happend there
let's see how modable that map will be before crying for mercy

[CheesyFreak]

well i would also love a Iberian faction(Gallaeci) but i dont really expect it to come, as for the immersion yes Numantia was a iconic(atleast in the iberian peninsula) siege but much less important (and known) then the other cities the playable factions has(excluding the barbarians ones) so its not a big hit for everyone outside the Spanish and Portuguese players, wich sadly i am one of them so i also get the short stick.

and not buying the game because of this little mistake(wich we dont know anything of, the game is not out yet) is a little overboard in my opinion.

just my little 2 cents.

edit: where did you find that Gallaecian line? or did you think of it yourself?

[Breoghan]

well i would also love a Iberian faction(Gallaeci) but i dont really expect it to come, as for the immersion yes Numantia was a iconic(atleast in the iberian peninsula) siege but much less important (and known) then the other cities the playable factions has(excluding the barbarians ones) so its not a big hit for everyone outside the Spanish and Portuguese players, wich sadly i am one of them so i also get the short stick.

and not buying the game because of this little mistake(wich we dont know anything of, the game is not out yet) is a little overboard in my opinion.

just my little 2 cents.

edit: where did you find that Gallaecian line? or did you think of it yourself?

Hola paisano

Es una cita que viene en el libro de Claudio Sánchez Albornoz, "el Reino de Asturias" (tres tomos, Instituto de Estudios Asturianos, 1972. En él se dice que un jefe galaico le respondió a un romano que intentaba que se rindieran pagando un estipendio: "nuestros antepasados nos dejaron hierro para defender nuestra Libertad, no oro para comprarla" (no sé si está bien traducida )

Hi mate


It´s a quote of the book "The kingdom of Asturias" from the historian Claudio Sánchez Albornoz (3 books, Instituto de Estudios Asturianos, 1972). Is the answer of a Gallaecian chief to a Roman wich was trying to claim their surrender by paying a "stipendius" to rome.

P.S. Creo que también nos quedaremos sin el Monte Medulio, Amigo....
P.S. 2: Por supuesto que no podré resistirme a comprarlo, pero estas cosas me cabrean un poco...

[CheesyFreak]

Hola paisano

Es una cita que viene en el libro de Claudio Sánchez Albornoz, "el Reino de Asturias" (tres tomos, Instituto de Estudios Asturianos, 1972. En él se dice que un jefe galaico le respondió a un romano que intentaba que se rindieran pagando un estipendio: "nuestros antepasados nos dejaron hierro para defender nuestra Libertad, no oro para comprarla" (no sé si está bien traducida )

Hi mate


It´s a quote of the book "The kingdom of Asturias" from the historian Claudio Sánchez Albornoz (3 books, Instituto de Estudios Asturianos, 1972). Is the answer of a Gallaecian chief to a Roman wich was trying to claim their surrender by paying a "stipendius" to rome.

P.S. Creo que también nos quedaremos sin el Monte Medulio, Amigo....
P.S. 2: Por supuesto que no podré resistirme a comprarlo, pero estas cosas me cabrean un poco...

si esta correctamente traducido, gracias por enseñarmelo le dare un mirada.

y el monte medulio no trabajaria muy bien en el juegó, a no ser que sea una batalla historica como hacen los juegós total war.

por si estas interesado hice una pequeña leccion de historia en los forums sobre los galaicos, si te interesa historia ya habras leido la mayoria de lo que escribi pero dale una mirada si quieres http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Gallaeci-tribe







yes its translated correctly, thanks for showing me i will take a look at it

and mount medulio(?) wouldnt work really well in the game, unless its a Historical battle like other total war games do it.

but if you are interested i made a little history lesson on the forums about the Gallaeci, if you are interested in history you probably already read most of what i wrote, but take a look if you want http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Gallaeci-tribe

[Ichon]

Numantia and a few other places is where I hope CA makes some of the region battles revolve around at least a fort. Maybe a small hillfort starting out but can eventually become a small city. Maybe not on the scale of Carthage, Rome, or Alexandria but something more than fields. If the hillfort is off in the distance that is better than nothing but somewhat disappointing as there should be some type of siege region in Lusitania/northern Hispania as that region gave Romans more trouble than anywhere outside of Germania, Judea, or Parthians until late Empire when migrations where going everywhere.

[Ichon]

Double post so I thought I'd add something about vegetation and importance on campaign map strategically. We have seen that much of Germania is likely to be heavily forested which is good and we can hope that carries over into other regions which in ancient era had far more forests than modern times. Africa, Lebanon, Anatolia outside central steppes, Britain, Hispania, etc.

Numantia was in a region in ancient era known for oak and pine forests which have shrunk back towards the damned lake reservoir Cuerda del Pozo so modern era it looks more like grasslands with scattered forest. In accounts of the siege the Legions had to cut down many trees to get visibility of approaches to Numantia and eventually used to construct many forts and also block river access along both rivers near Numantia.

Forest coverage vs siege points is strategically important because without either it becomes quite easy to conquer those regions in campaign as there is no forest or hills to hide within nor siege point to defend. Hopefully CA includes the rough topography and some more forests in Spain- I think CA probably will in Galicia and along Atlantic coast where even modern time forest exist but in the interior between Sistema Iberico and Sistema Central in modern era is more grass with light mixed forest outside of la Rioja which is known for hiking and hill camping.

[Modestus]

To be honest I have no idea what CA where thinking beyond doing it on the cheap, as far as I can tell there is going to be a lot of regions that have cities with walls that wont actually have walls a rather strange way to design a game.

[sertorio67]

We have to wait to Europe Barbarorum lll mod

[HigoChumbo]

After a few months of informations about the next Total War game, i 'm sure that Celtiberians will not be a playable faction, and, even worst, their home region will not have a walled city....
I think this ruins the inmersion not only for the spanish comunity of players, but for the rest of the players with a minimal of historical knowledge, because the Celtiberian wars, including the various sieges of Numancia, were facts that marked the identity and the army of the old roman Republic...
Myself, i'm thinking if even i will buy the game

Why do you say that?

I'm quite positive that they will be eventually be playable (through dlcs or something), and from the hispanic peoples they are definatelly the best positioned faction to make it into the playable ones (even when it is not the one I'm wishing for, i just hope they don't go for the Lusitanians just because of Viriathus).

[Gaius Mucius Scaevola]

I'm spanish and I agree about Numantia, but I suppose that the fact that my city (Qart Hadasht) will have it's own siege map it's enough for me