The Roman Step

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I for one hope to see Romans Marching and not asymetrically move like in a barbaric warband ...

romans introduced the Military step " gradus militaris" that was the actual military step based on drum sound and used on march of 120 steps per minute , double time of the normal marching step , on parade etc, in front of the emperor they also used the "Plenus Gradus" wich is the classical Fascist and Nazi goose step that is now actually still used by some modern military like russia , china, germany and others some in a reduced and altered form to not recall to the recent totalitarian pass that usually reintroduced it .
It was performed just like the modern one with a hearfull collision of the talon with ground . Used also on field to incute fear and distinction .

SO I hope to see that represented for the Roman army and not see them march and walk in asymetric fashion .

Described by Vegetius in Epitoma rei militaris , by recollecting older works of Cato , Varro , Celsus , PAternus , Frontinus , as well as Rules and laws of Augustus , Trajan and Hadrian .

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

Here; at least he's putting opinions in the public eye - sure some of us may not agree 100% of the time but its always possible (no matter how slight) that a CA lackey has taken note of his suggestions - so fair play to him for doing it.

Rather than sitting down and letting CA dictate things for us.

[c.ryo]

No matter how many threads he makes, at least he is generating some good bright new ideas, unlike the developers that go by simplification path.

And to all " ima SIRIUS persun " that replied here, it's a forum, he can make as many threads as he wants, dont like don't reply, no one is obligating you to do so.

[magpie]

Good thinking Prom.
A bit of realism never hurts a game.

regards,

magpie

[SirFork]

Not only for the romans, i would like to see an ordinate march for every greek-hellenistic faction too.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Not only for the romans, i would like to see an ordinate march for every greek-hellenistic faction too.

did they use it historically?

[Grimbold]

did they use it historically?

You mean to argue that a phalanx, be it hoplitic or macedonian, marched in a disorderly fashion?

[Razor]

I for one hope to see Romans Marching and not asymetrically move like in a barbaric warband ...

romans introduced the Military step " gradus militaris" that was the actual military step based on drum sound and used on march of 120 steps per minute , double time of the normal marching step , on parade etc, in front of the emperor they also used the "Plenus Gradus" wich is the classical Fascist and Nazi goose step that is now actually still used by some modern military like russia , china, germany and others some in a reduced and altered form to not recall to the recent totalitarian pass that usually reintroduced it .
It was performed just like the modern one with a hearfull collision of the talon with ground . Used also on field to incute fear and distinction .

SO I hope to see that represented for the Roman army and not see them march and walk in asymetric fashion .

Described by Vegetius in Epitoma rei militaris , by recollecting older works of Cato , Varro , Celsus , PAternus , Frontinus , as well as Rules and laws of Augustus , Trajan and Hadrian .

For clarification, it has nothing to do with fascists or nazis specifically. The "goose step" originated from Prussian and Russian military drill. I know it's popular to phrase it that way but the nazis and communists simply maintained a military drill/tradition that predates them by roughly two centuries. Also fascist Italy originally didn't use the goose until they introduced their own version (Passo Romano) later on under influence of Germany. And Germany isn't using it anymore, if you hadn't noticed it.

That being said, I think it would be nice to introduce it and by doing so make distinction between trained armies and untrained mobs. However I would like to see them not just for the Romans but for many other ('civilized') factions as a potential 'tech'.

[♠ Thomas Cochrane ♠]

For clarification, it has nothing to do with fascists or nazis specifically. The "goose step" originated from Prussian and Russian military drill. I know it's popular to phrase it that way but the nazis and communists simply maintained a military drill/tradition that predates them by roughly two centuries. Also fascist Italy originally didn't use the goose until they introduced their own version (Passo Romano) later on under influence of Germany. And Germany isn't using it anymore, if you hadn't noticed it.

Funny thing is that it was used by the Russians long after it was used by the Germans. The goose step was scrapped after 1939! The Ruskies used it till the end of the war.

[Caesar15]

Funny thing is that it was used by the Russians long after it was used by the Germans. The goose step was scrapped after 1939! The Ruskies used it till the end of the war.

Heck, they still use it now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d04oMfVJ4QQ

[Kinjo]

I'm pretty sure the Macedonians had some marching stuff going on, can't remember exactly but I thought I read some where they scared a Scythian army off the battlefield with some precision marching. When reading about Philip's II it always talks about how he drilled his army which most likely would be marching and practicing various maneuvers.

[ISG01]

Not when they cross a bridge!

[Marcus Claudius Marcellus]

Whilst not essential, it would be kind of nice to see this in the game, especially post-Marian reform.

[Pajkes]

Well........though you are notorious for making sometimes ridiculous demands I fail to see anything wrong with this.I'd even say that for Romans and others who were known for their discipline something like this would be a normal thing to include. BUT the problem is that it would mean that they will have to make special animation for them and from what we saw in Teutoburg trailer and later on walkthrough although it was stated that those videos resemble only pre-alpha game it was pretty clear that walking animations are done terribly and with the laser arrows and ninja speed of troops it's just one more thing on the list of things I don't like.

And realllllllllllllllly guys I'm trying to not sound like a whiner but when they make some decisions (big ones which influence a gameplay a lot) which I just can't comprehend despite my effort and although I like CA and I'm supportive it is becomig more clear to me that this will be another Emire Debacle Anew. And trust me on September 3rd after playing the game for a couple of hours there is nothing I would like to say more than : I WAS WRONG. STOP BEACHING START PLAYIN .

Please read this 'explanation' form Jack Lusted from official forum and I don't have anything against the guy but he failed every single time to explain what army limiting will achieve anything at all except ruining the game.
http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...n-of-army-cap?

[RGA]

Meh, goose step, no matter when it is used, is primarily for parade. Don't really know that Romans used goose step, but I won't be surprised since they were quite obsessive with showing. However, on the battlefield, it is a completely different matter. In ancient battles where it took hours to even assemble a phalanx formation, I don't see how it is possible to coordinate soldiers to walk in sync.

[Cadian Guardsman]

I like the idea, it would be especially cool if the Romans had a specialized "movement speed" which allowed them to move at 1.5 times movement speed and tire slower or even a 2.5 x speed for those times you really have to react. Back to the idea of them actually marching in unison though, I somehow think that a few forum users would cry out "clone armies in Rome:2 this is a deal breakers" or "lazy animations" or something along those lines..... do want the Romans to march though.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I like the idea, it would be especially cool if the Romans had a specialized "movement speed" which allowed them to move at 1.5 times movement speed and tire slower or even a 2.5 x speed for those times you really have to react. Back to the idea of them actually marching in unison though, I somehow think that a few forum users would cry out "clone armies in Rome:2 this is a deal breakers" or "lazy animations" or something along those lines..... do want the Romans to march though.

The passus , military gradus , the plenus gradus etc were part of the base drill teached to each recruit in the roman army , just like it is done nowday to modern armies. Romans introduced to the professional army .
It would be wise to implement it and make a distinction between the Barbarians charging and moving unsyncd and the Romans moving like a machine , drilled and disciplined.

[Sandraker]

If this is in then I DEMAND that the Ptolemiac units walk like an Egyptian.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

According to this picture seems that CA has decided not to implement any Synchronized step for romans

Not Even in Triumphs



another little disapointment .

[Sharpe]

According to this picture seems that CA has decided not to implement any Synchronized step for romans

Not Even in Triumphs



another little disapointment .

Dude seriously.