Third Ages Richest Regions

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

I thought it might be nice to see the results that different players get. Of course the amounts will vary depending on settings, sub-mods used, Govenors traits, game turn, and so on.

Third Age Edition:
Sub Mods:
Faction:
Settings:
Capital:
Game turn:

I thought this template ^^^ might be good to use... Here's the stats from my Drawf campaign...



Third Age Edition: Vanilla 3.2
Sub Mods: total Diplomacy
Faction: Drawfs
Settings: Hard/Hard
Capital: Dain's Hall
Game turn: 218

* Gundabad: 3460 Without Govenor: 2647 Govenor: King Dain the Noble

* Erebor: 2920 Without Govenor: 2193 Govenor Ori the Just

* Thorin's Halls: 1877 Without Govenor: 1290 Govenor: Lord Thorin the Noble

For the record, there's No corruption in Gundabad or Erebor. Kay, Tag you're it!...

[Gallus]

Mistrand has 2900 with low taxes at large town level with a pretty bad governor. I'd say it's definitely one of the richest regions on the map.

[=NF=Flimmeister]

Kugavod without any doubt. Reached almost the 10000 mark there (with the best governer i ever had).

[LuckyPistol]

I have to agree that either Rhomen or Khuvagod will become the richest city if you own it, even dwarfing Gondor's moneymakers

[Mank]

I usually see Moria get into the mid-5000's. Big money even early game with 1000-1500 income un-developed.

[Kratos]

Third Age Edition: Vanilla 3.2
Sub Mods: -
Faction: Gondor
Settings: VH/VH
Capital: Linhir
Game turn: 147

* Minas Tirith:
Income: 5847
Income without Govenor: ?
Govenor: Bornivion the Mean
Tax rate: Normal

I think this is the best I've ever achieved in this mod. The city is still growing (normal tax rates, governor's respect <7) but I can only build one more economic building (highest level of market). There is no corruption.

Other rich regions that I know of are Moria, Kugavod, Mistrand and Dorwinion. All the provinces around the sea of Rhun are way too prosperous in my opinion.

[Chieftain Khuzaymah]

Faction: Harad
No idea about the governors, but:

*Minas Tirith: 10.000+
*Umbar: 6.000+
*Pelargir: ~6.000

Indeed the sea of Rhun gives nice income too, but ( without paying too much attention on the governor i put there ) Minas Tirith was my wealthiest settlement ever with 10k plus

[Loki_999]

Interesting timing this thread. I've started working on a mini-project that will give the definitive guide to how much money each area generates.

Already generated a map where every region belongs to Gondor

There will be some limitations to ensure fair results. Ill be setting each region to the capital in turn when looking at the numbers, religion is 100% Numenorean so no economic hit due to unrest, and no general in the cities, and normal tax rate (since castle tax rates can't be changed so normal best for comparison). Also not sure if will upgrade cities in isolation and reset for each city (so no bonuses due to neighbouring city size increases), or just let them all be maxed at same time so they do affect each other more.... probably the latter as in a true game all cities will grow more or less in parallel.

There will be two sets of data. The first set will be their initial (Turn 1) income, with no economic upgrades. The second set will be them boosted to max size (and required population to reach that size, eg: 26000 or 28000 for castles/cities IIRC) along with full upgrades.

It will take me a few days to get the data in and another day perhaps to format it all in a readable format. Mayhaps be some interesting results.

[riuk881]

Already generated a map where every region belongs to Gondor

why all gondor?

[Chieftain Khuzaymah]

i guess to see which regions are most wealthy

Though this changes really per faction, im not sure how exactly.... but having Umbar as Harad can upgrade to over 6000, as Gondor I didn't get even close to 6000....

Btw, if you like loki, I can get you a save file where I have every region in the map as Harad. Believe most citires are developped as well

[DrBeast]

Harad (and Rhun, for that matter) has access to one additional level of roads (highways), which generate more trade. They also have access to caravan stops etc, which also boost trade. That would explain the extra income from the same city when playing as Harad.

[Loki_999]

I was thinking some factions may have some differences in availability of economic builds than others but wasn't sure. I chose Gondor because its the first nation listed in descr_regions and descr_strat and as far as i know, pretty standard in terms of economic buildings.

I know the results won't reflect the exact situation of what is available. What it will produce though is a relative overview of the richness of each area. In other words, is Minas Tirith a better money spinner than Umbar or not given the same conditions?

There are some additional limitations as well i've just remembered - some cities are fixed as the largest variant not available to regular cities, but hey, that applies when playing anyway, so they are naturally better regions anyway.

And Chieftain K - thanks for the offer but I have a map generated already and need to start from undeveloped regions for the first set of data. The pain is then going to be going around every region and massively abusing add_population and process_cq to get them all maxed out for the second set.

[rrgg]

I think it does depend on the faction somewhat. I recenty nabbed Rohmen as the dwarves with population 10k, but because it's not in a mountains region I'm only getting 1000 gold at very high taxes.

[Gallus]

I think it does depend on the faction somewhat. I recenty nabbed Rohmen as the dwarves with population 10k, but because it's not in a mountains region I'm only getting 1000 gold at very high taxes.

corruption And Rhomen is not that good, Kugavod, Dorwinion and Mistrand are much better when developed.

[Bladvak]

I think it does depend on the faction somewhat. I recenty nabbed Rohmen as the dwarves with population 10k, but because it's not in a mountains region I'm only getting 1000 gold at very high taxes.

That's not the explication why the difference. Rhomen lost the trade with the big cities next to it and instead the trade with the dwarven neighbour provinces kicked in. If you want Rhomen to get back to its former glory, conquer its neighbours, you'll see a huge increase.

For example : Dol Amroth has 2k in trade while in Gondorian hands. If conquered by Harad, all the trade by land would cease, as the provinces neighbouring it by land would still be in enemy lands (and enemies do not trade). The only trade that Dol Amroth would have would be by sea with the Harad provinces.

[rrgg]

On the plus side, I've finally found a solution for Rhun's absurdly wealthy regions: saboteurs.

[Macilrille]

A couple of campaign ago my Arnor bought Minas Tirith off Gondor and netted about 12500 per turn on High tax with a good governor. Dol Amroth was about 8 K (I bought that too).More when I move further on in my current camapign as ... (that is for WhoAmI-ers to guess).

[Macilrille]

In fact NO, more when I no longer have to reload the page 20 + times. Cya then.

[Chieftain Khuzaymah]

Yep, Rhomen is not connected to the sea of rhun, and of the campaigns i played, dwarves had the most corruption, absolutely terrible ;s

[rrgg]

Really? When erebor is right over there?
I also have a pretty decent governor. And according to my spies the AI was getting around 3k before I took over (cheaty AI).

I guess to the question then: do dwarves actually get more money from mountain regions, or is it just the buildings that say "buildings of this type are most effective in such and such regions"?