Steam is the RTW2 deal-breaker - here is why

[Lуra]

Eh, all my games are on steam anyways. CDs are such a chore to bring around when you have to travel a lot. The chat feature is great and the offers you can get are amazing. I simply see steam as the future of gaming, really.

We must move on.


~Lyra

[King Philip II]

King Phillip II. Just get a new steam account and preorder Rome II. And after you have had steam for 6 months come back here and tell us how wrong we are and i will be the first to perform a humiliation ritual on cam for you.

If it turns out that i'm right, then I would never make a single "what did I say" post. I would just be disappointed and move on to another game. However, that humiliating ritual I would like to see so I'll PM you on Sept 4th

Eh, all my games are on steam anyways. CDs are such a chore to bring around when you have to travel a lot. The chat feature is great and the offers you can get are amazing. I simply see steam as the future of gaming, really.

We must move on.


~Lyra

This is unfair Lyra, you know that I like Ponies

[Reloader-1]

The OP has been on a personal rant/crusade/trollfest against pretty much everything CA related, from DLC to Steam...

As for the topic at hand, I'm overseas and have been for about a year. I've been playing RTW, Empire, and Napoleon thanks to this wonderful service called Steam. I have no idea where my discs are, and it would suck not to be able to play.

Welcome to the modern era... oh, these newfangled horseless carriages have replaced the horse and buggy while you ranted about change.

[Remwr]

Just my two cents, but I really enjoy steam for no reason than their online multiplayer functionality. So much better than Gamespy Arcade. Especially because it now seems impossible to get an account to play Rome I or Medieval II using Gamespy. So multiplayer is basically dead unless you use Hamachi.

[underworld965]

As a rule, I'm generally fine with steam [ MP and DLC are way easier to use thanks to it], but reading this kinda made me think a lot less of them (the link he posted about being sued).

"The lawsuit follows a cease-and-desist order the company issued to Valve back in September. That action was prompted by not only the resale issue, but also in response to the updated Steam Subscriber Agreement, which prohibited class-action suits against the company."

....so in order to play essentially any computer game which requires activation on steam you have to waive your right to sue them for say unethical practices against users? Not really in agreement with that...

[wozzar]

As a rule, I'm generally fine with steam [ MP and DLC are way easier to use thanks to it], but reading this kinda made me think a lot less of them (the link he posted about being sued).

"The lawsuit follows a cease-and-desist order the company issued to Valve back in September. That action was prompted by not only the resale issue, but also in response to the updated Steam Subscriber Agreement, which prohibited class-action suits against the company."

....so in order to play essentially any computer game which requires activation on steam you have to waive your right to sue them for say unethical practices against users? Not really in agreement with that...

That sued clause means nothing. Some gamer who has deep pockets will sue Steam one day. Nobody has been able to sue Steam successfully due to the high costs involved.

[magpie]

Just want to say thank you Anna and MrChris for a couple of well explained posts on the steam subject.

No doubt I will have to use steam if I want to play ROME II as thing,s stand.
So I will be looking for help when the time come,s to deal with this system.

regards,

magpie.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Just want to say thank you Anna and MrChris for a couple of well explained posts on the steam subject.

No doubt I will have to use steam if I want to play ROME II as thing,s stand.
So I will be looking for help when the time come,s to deal with this system.

regards,

magpie.

Its only a matter of what issue you have now?

[Martin N]

If it really that much of an issue for you why not just purchase a boxed copy then proceed to "pirate" it, the only problem is you have no multiplayer, which for me is a big issue. I did the same thing for Mass Effect 3 i refuse to have origin on my computer, you're talking of bad business practices, now there is the example.

They still receive a sale but you do not infect your pc. (Although steam really is a good platform, i was stubborn for a few years too, get some really good bargains in sales).

[King Philip II]

If it really that much of an issue for you why not just purchase a boxed copy then proceed to "pirate" it, the only problem is you have no multiplayer, which for me is a big issue. I did the same thing for Mass Effect 3 i refuse to have origin on my computer, you're talking of bad business practices, now there is the example.

They still receive a sale but you do not infect your pc. (Although steam really is a good platform, i was stubborn for a few years too, get some really good bargains in sales).

Please could you kindly do me a favour? Please read the last postings I made here. I might not be happy with how RTW2 is looking, but i'm NOT going to start stealing for that reason. It make me a little upset that ppl would even suggest this.

[DeliCiousTZM]

Please could you kindly do me a favour? Please read the last postings I made here. I might not be happy with how RTW2 is looking, but i'm NOT going to start stealing for that reason. It make me a little upset that ppl would even suggest this.

Lets move past the times where we use harsh words like "Stealing" over copying a file that is of no physical material consequence to any one.

But if you do pirate you aren't supporting the developer. I'm not gonna advocate anything,except support the developers you care about.

It's not going to happen because Sega hasn't encountered any severe problems with steam so why would they bail out on them? Also i think the group of steam haters is to small to tip the scale in there favour.

This is a point you need to pay heed too. There is no problem with steam and most people praise it. Including me.

But of course to praise something you actually have to experience it, try it out and compare it. Compare Steam to Origin? Find another service as convenient to carry your game when you are on the move. How well do their services operate? Also in my experience and many others the Customer service has been splendid i have lost my account before and got it retrieved. Once i even got a free game when i told them my cdkey for a game didn't take so they just gave me the game for free even tho i lost my physical CD-key.

Steam for president!

[Martin N]

Please could you kindly do me a favour? Please read the last postings I made here. I might not be happy with how RTW2 is looking, but i'm NOT going to start stealing for that reason. It make me a little upset that ppl would even suggest this.

I read it, the definition of stealing is receiving goods for which you did not pay for. If you paid for a product yet did not use the platform you seem to hate, how is that ethically or morally wrong?

Whats it matter if you download on steam or torrent? You still paid for your product. You have a very radical viewpoint on pirating, the whole issue with it is that the devolopers receive no money.

[-=PHX=-Hades]

Sounds like OP is stuck in 2004. Steam has been pretty good for years now. The only problem I have with it is it doesn't like to accept my credit card sometimes. So I just buy stuff on Amazon and activate the code on Steam.

[I2ain_2_Battle]

i think its rather sad that just because the majority of people have lighting fast internet, those or a majority of those users think everyone should have it and if they don't have it there is something wrong with them, and their problems should not even be looked upon or considered. this type of ignorance really pisses me off. as it stands, not everyone has fast internet and because of this steam hampers their playing experience greatly. If that reason is not valid enough then you guys need to take a long walk off a short bridge..

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

i think its rather sad that just because the majority of people have lighting fast internet, those or a majority of those users think everyone should have it and if they don't have it there is something wrong with them, and their problems should not even be looked upon or considered. this type of ignorance really pisses me off. as it stands, not everyone has fast internet and because of this steam hampers their playing experience greatly. If that reason is not valid enough then you guys need to take a long walk off a short bridge..

but you can play offline?

[CheesyFreak]

i think its rather sad that just because the majority of people have lighting fast internet, those or a majority of those users think everyone should have it and if they don't have it there is something wrong with them, and their problems should not even be looked upon or considered. this type of ignorance really pisses me off. as it stands, not everyone has fast internet and because of this steam hampers their playing experience greatly. If that reason is not valid enough then you guys need to take a long walk off a short bridge..

as said above me you can play offline with steam, the only problem i can think off having slow internet is downloading it from steam, a problem directly solved if you buy the boxed version of the game.

[I2ain_2_Battle]

as said above me you can play offline with steam, the only problem i can think off having slow internet is downloading it from steam, a problem directly solved if you buy the boxed version of the game.

true. if you already know how to bypass steam and download straight from the cd. many do not so they waste weeks and weeks trying to download an impossible download. but even if you do download it straight from the cd, you still have to download the updates..(which can take more weeks if there are alot of updates) then after you have everything installed, a month later with crappy net you have the option to turn off future updates and play off line. but just installing it pisses a lot of people off about steam.

[wozzar]

as said above me you can play offline with steam, the only problem i can think off having slow internet is downloading it from steam, a problem directly solved if you buy the boxed version of the game.

Even having a boxed version can be slow to install because Steam is updating as the game is installed a non Steam version is a lot faster to install.

[wozzar]

i think its rather sad that just because the majority of people have lighting fast internet, those or a majority of those users think everyone should have it and if they don't have it there is something wrong with them, and their problems should not even be looked upon or considered. this type of ignorance really pisses me off. as it stands, not everyone has fast internet and because of this steam hampers their playing experience greatly. If that reason is not valid enough then you guys need to take a long walk off a short bridge..

In the US there are some regions that don't have internet access at all or very slow at best. Not everyone has access and this maybe for technical reasons.

[nameless]

In the US there are some regions that don't have internet access at all or very slow at best. Not everyone has access and this maybe for technical reasons.

I don't understand why people even bother bringing this up.

Would people in regions that have no internet access even be looking at video games to begin with? Do you know personally tens of thousands of people that would even care about video games enough to make it worthwhile?

The fact that STEAM is extremely successful says otherwise and that whatever gains that could be obtained from people that are off the grid are non existent.

The fact that you are posting here means you have access to some internet and that's all that's needed for those games as they don't require 24/7 connection.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/01/29/st...sing-steadily/

So unless you have some evidence that says they are losing out a lot then you really have nothing.

Even having a boxed version can be slow to install because Steam is updating as the game is installed a non Steam version is a lot faster to install.

That makes no sense at all.

The time it takes to install a game is the same regardless (excluding digital downloads as that's another story).

And when the game first starts up the game has to authorize the copy, it's no more different than the CD-Key check and it only happens once so I don't know why it's such a huge deal unless you're one of those people that love to uninstall and install multiple times for whatever reasons.

Edit: And if Valve would suddenly "turn off" steam, without any kind of refund/alternate solution then that would pretty much be suicide for them. So tell me, why would Valve commit suicide when they almost have a monopoly on their hands?

Nobody has bothered answering my question why would companies like SEGA who actually own the games let their games to rot like that if STEAM were to die. The fact that nobody can answer is evident enough that it's a weak argument.