Steam is the RTW2 deal-breaker - here is why

[daniu]

Since the conditions of use of Steam are completely illegal in a lot of countries we would be better to leave morality outside of this discussion and simply respect TWC ToS.

Well, whether Valve's ToS are "completely illegal" in some countries is doubtable; there might be some provisions in there that can be challenged, but that doesn't make them "illegal", let alone "completely". Anyway, legal situations are pretty much separate from ethical discussions (sadly, one might say in some occasions).

What I was referring to was the OP calling Valve "unethical", so it's not me who brought it in. He did state he's not pirating (and I do apologize for having assumed that), but there exists a mindset along the lines of "well I don't like Steam and it's 'unethical' so I'm morally justified to steal games requiring it". That really goes against every moral system ever devised.

[rohirrimelf]

I like steam because:

1) I get to play on day one without having to wait for my mail to arrive, or have to drive 10km to the nearest store.
2) Easy way to get the dlc within a few minutes
3) it keeps track of all my achievements
4) my friends are all on steam
5) sales are great sometimes
6) i have acces to internet most of the time anyway
7) if by some reason a few years later my game cant install (lost key, dvd failed) i can buy it again really cheap.

[magpie]

Here is a question, Why do Sega still issue the TW games on disk if the so called vast majority of customer,s are total steam fan,s.

Why would the customer,s even buy the TW games in disk format?

That might tell you something. How much are steam asking for your ROME II digital download of umpteen Gb,s against say a disk set supplied by Amazon for your pre-order.

Now from a personal viewpoint I do not have a problem downloading patches online if I think it will fix a bug or add to a game,s working.

We have always had to do this in the past.

[ElvenKind]

GOG.com is also a part of 21 st century, and they sell DRM free games. Yes @ karamazowmn, Witcher is among them too.

When Steam removes DRM, maybe I'll consider buying R2TW and any other steam game.

Til then, I'll continue being a part of this century and the future of gaming in my own way. To me, gaming without steam is no big deal, my country has game and software shops for what I need or want.

[Virtanen]

All I read is two paragraphs of "I'm an opinionated manchild and I don't like steam because."

[Prof]

Here is a question, Why do Sega still issue the TW games on disk if the so called vast majority of customer,s are total steam fan,s.

Why would the customer,s even buy the TW games in disk format?

That might tell you something. How much are steam asking for your ROME II digital download of umpteen Gb,s against say a disk set supplied by Amazon for your pre-order.

Now from a personal viewpoint I do not have a problem downloading patches online if I think it will fix a bug or add to a game,s working.

We have always had to do this in the past.

I like having the box in a shelf and I like to install the game from a disk, because my internet isn't really fast and downloading 20+ GB would take a few days.

Still I like Steam. ^^

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Steam is the TWR2 deal-breaker for me. In the recent Poll here ONE THIRD of the responders voted for non-Steam.

Here are my reasons for voting for non-Steam:

1) I don't like to give companies an after-sales backdoor into my wallet
2) I don't want a storefront on my desktop
3) I do not support unethical companies like Valve (they sell email addresses to 3rd party direct marketing brokers)
4) I don't want to have to be connected to the net
5) I don't trust their security (http://arstechnica.com/security/2012...alicious-code/)
6) I don't want anything running in the "background" potentially collecting my usage information with the intend to sell it to internet marketing brokers
7) I really don't want to give the founder a single penny, same reason I don't watch Tom Cruise movies.

It must be a considerable business risk for CA to have such a close partnership with $team. What if they have to close down shop due to, for example, a law suit? Valve Sued by German consumer group

/KP

This makes me think that you are not going to use steam. Then a question pop's up in my head, if your not going to use steam why complain about steam?

[King Philip II]

This makes me think that you are not going to use steam. Then a question pop's up in my head, if your not going to use steam why complain about steam?

In the hope that CA will make TWR2 available without the Steam requirement. You may call me naive, but I have seen gamestudio's change their plans based on community feedback before - on the front row.

[Siven]

In the hope that CA will make TWR2 available without the Steam requirement. You may call me naive, but I have seen gamestudio's change their plans based on community feedback before - on the front row.

Wont ever happen.

Because from what i believe, TW games use Steamworks for multiplayer matchmaking which is far superior to similar services like GFWL (which is terrible). So the TW games are built with Steam deeply ingrained in development, and imo its a good thing as steam offers far more benefits than downsides.

Also most Steam complaints come from the uninformed or people with really old computers which are filled with software slowing their PC which then makes team seem poor.
Install Steam, Install game, (optional switch to offline mode), play game. Simple, easy, and if you have a broadband connection and leave steam online, then you have many more option like the friends list available.

I personally have never had a problem with Steam, and just having the auto-patching and the ability to talk to my friends ingame using the steam friends system is fantastic. Then comes the steam sales and offers, game always available and never out of stock.

[retarded_strong]

Wont ever happen.

Because from what i believe, TW games use Steamworks for multiplayer matchmaking which is far superior to similar services like GFWL (which is terrible). So the TW games are built with Steam deeply ingrained in development, and imo its a good thing as steam offers far more benefits than downsides.

QFT. Seriously, for any AAA game there is going to be some kind of DRM. It might as well be Steam as opposed to the now abandoned abortion that is GFWL. It's sooooooo wonderful having to go through three different DRM systems (Steam, GFWL, Social Club) whenever I fire up a game of GTA IV on the PC. If it weren't for Steam every major publisher would have their own form of DRM for us to slog through. That's not to say Steam doesn't have problems. For one, it's a major pain in the *** playing XCOM:EU with the Warspace mod because it can only be played in offline mode. Still, I think Steam's DRM is a small price to pay for convenience and lower prices IMO.

[magpie]

This makes me think that you are not going to use steam. Then a question pop's up in my head, if your not going to use steam why complain about steam?

I think people want to play the TW game,s but do not want the steam add on so that,s why they post.

Let,s face it.
Steam has caused some problems for potential customer,s old and new if they live in an area with poor broadband support.

[eLus1on]

I think people want to play the TW game,s but do not want the steam add on so that,s why they post.

Let,s face it.
Steam has caused some problems for potential customer,s old and new if they live in an area with poor broadband support.

Then you get the physical copy to install it if your broadband is that bad.

[SirFork]

I think people want to play the TW game,s but do not want the steam add on so that,s why they post.

Let,s face it.
Steam has caused some problems for potential customer,s old and new if they live in an area with poor broadband support.

That's true but i find some steam features like auto-patcher and the workshop brilliant.

[AngryTitusPullo]

I think people want to play the TW game,s but do not want the steam add on so that,s why they post.

Let,s face it.
Steam has caused some problems for potential customer,s old and new if they live in an area with poor broadband support.

So is electricity. You can't play Rome II if there's no electricity doesn't matter if they live in some rural area or right smack in the city.

Honestly so far I've seen this anti Steam rants are for various childish reason which is more user problem rather than Steam itself. Yes there may be genuine Steam issue as nothing is perfect but 1 case against thousands if not millions other users who have no problem then surely this is a good odd.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

In the hope that CA will make TWR2 available without the Steam requirement. You may call me naive, but I have seen gamestudio's change their plans based on community feedback before - on the front row.

Not going to happen.

I think people want to play the TW game,s but do not want the steam add on so that,s why they post.

Let,s face it.
Steam has caused some problems for potential customer,s old and new if they live in an area with poor broadband support.

Possible, i can only speak for my self and in my case i haven't had any problems with steam so far. So for me i don't really mind that steam has to be used to play the game.

[King Philip II]

Not going to happen.

Why not? Game studio's have changed their mind before based on community feedback. Here is an example, it's an apology from a CEO* directly to the community: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...s-a-big-sorry/

* a Chief Executive Officer (CEO) is the "Boss"

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Why not? Game studio's have changed their mind before based on community feedback. Here is an example, it's an apology from a CEO* directly to the community: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...s-a-big-sorry/

* a Chief Executive Officer (CEO) is the "Boss"

It's not going to happen because Sega hasn't encountered any severe problems with steam so why would they bail out on them? Also i think the group of steam haters is to small to tip the scale in there favour.

I know what a CEO is i am a NSSEO*.

* Not So Stupid Executive Officer

[CheesyFreak]

Why not? Game studio's have changed their mind before based on community feedback. Here is an example, it's an apology from a CEO* directly to the community: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...s-a-big-sorry/

* a Chief Executive Officer (CEO) is the "Boss"

yes, but they are not gona change it if the big majority is happy with steam(according to the poll little over 2/3 of the people want it on steam) and those are not representative of the whole Total War community, wich i think would add more votes to the steam option

edit: i just got ninja'd *sigh*

[karamazovmm]

This makes me think that you are not going to use steam. Then a question pop's up in my head, if your not going to use steam why complain about steam?

Damn! you back!

I truly dont get his threads, he is not going to use steam, thus pirating is the only option. He complains that r2tw aint what he imagines is, thus wont buy the game

Conclusion we should make a thread to complain about threads that complain without any reason.

However I did that, and know Im a renowned troll, consequence I shall make a thread to complaint about people that complain about people that complain about things that they wont buy, without enough support to make anything happen.

[oOIYvYIOo]

This makes me think that you are not going to use steam. Then a question pop's up in my head, if your not going to use steam why complain about steam?

What else is need to say after this setence.
Only the low excuses and not having nothing to do beside complaining .
My wife keeps failing me theres no reason to stop usgin her.