Steam is the RTW2 deal-breaker - here is why

[Greve Af Göteborg]

One that may not be able to afford it! I'm freakin' buying the retail game. It should at least install on it's own.

Yes you can install from disk.

[Hoplite of Ilis]

Yes you can install from disk.

You could do so for shogun 2, but still, connection was needed just once...

[magpie]

Just a question guy,s, I like to use c-cleaner after a session on the internet keeps down all those damn cookies and whatnot.
Will this cause any problems with steam?

[Achilleslastand]

Just a question guy,s, I like to use c-cleaner after a session on the internet keeps down all those damn cookies and whatnot.
Will this cause any problems with steam?

I use it everyday and have never had a problem whatsoever regardless of whether or not i log into steam to game.

[magpie]

I use it everyday and have never had a problem whatsoever regardless of whether or not i log into steam to game.

Thanks for that info,
regards,

magpie

[oOIYvYIOo]

Just a question guy,s, I like to use c-cleaner after a session on the internet keeps down all those damn cookies and whatnot.
Will this cause any problems with steam?

You just need steam to install the game and to launch it .You can turn steam offline (not friends off) but steam off and play your campaigns.
But if you ever decide to try MPC ,that i advice you too , you need to have steam on and off on friends .
How you do that you open the steam page and on top left corner you have the option to go on offline mod and online mod .Attention im not talking about being on /off to friends on steam.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Just a question guy,s, I like to use c-cleaner after a session on the internet keeps down all those damn cookies and whatnot.
Will this cause any problems with steam?

It will not cause problem with Steam. However is you select to 'clean' (or whatever you call it in ccleaner) your passwords etc then you can't immediately run Steam offline as it has no record of your login and password.

I use ccleaner all the time, at least twice a month on my pc.

[nameless]

Since you like to play it that way do you have any figures? All of us have bought out the evidence and statistics and you have nothing to back up on.

[wozzar]

Since you like to play it that way do you have any figures? All of us have bought out the evidence and statistics and you have nothing to back up on.

You are just plain trolling now. Of course i don't have any figures and you don't either i am just guessing and so are you.

[ElvenKind]

If you don't want anybody to access your games, don't share your account information.

Edit: And if Valve would suddenly "turn off" steam, without any kind of refund/alternate solution then that would pretty much be suicide for them. So tell me, why would Valve commit suicide when they almost have a monopoly on their hands?

Anything tied to Internet can be accessed by anyone with Internet connection. aka. hacking. And, it doesn't even need to be a hacker, even Valve/ Steam can TAKE away your purchased games/goods. That stands in their ToS which you signed when installing steam, when they ban your account, you lose access to your bought games/goods.

I can't accept such a deal with some online store/company.

And, in that same ToS stands that, for what ever reason, Valve has to shut down his service and servers , they could, but, are not obligated to provide continues support for online bought goods.

When they become like GOG.com, I'll maybe consider to get steam account.

[Greve Af Göteborg]

Anything tied to Internet can be accessed by anyone with Internet connection. aka. hacking. And, it doesn't even need to be a hacker, even Valve/ Steam can TAKE away your purchased games/goods. That stands in their ToS which you signed when installing steam, when they ban your account, you lose access to your bought games/goods.

I can't accept such a deal with some online store/company.

And, in that same ToS stands that, for what ever reason, Valve has to shut down his service and servers , they could, but, are not obligated to provide continues support for online bought goods.

When they become like GOG.com, I'll maybe consider to get steam account.

Avoid hackers by not clicking suspicious stuff, the same rule applies to avoiding viruses on the internet. I've had my account since 2004 and have only changed my password once, no hacking attempts done. And there is no recorded event of Valve just taking away your stuff, they won't ban you unless you act like a bastard (you use cheats in games, hack other people and do other illegal stuff).

Basically, don't do dumb stuff and you'll keep your stuff until the end of the internet.

[karamazovmm]

Anything tied to Internet can be accessed by anyone with Internet connection. aka. hacking. And, it doesn't even need to be a hacker, even Valve/ Steam can TAKE away your purchased games/goods. That stands in their ToS which you signed when installing steam, when they ban your account, you lose access to your bought games/goods.

I can't accept such a deal with some online store/company.

And, in that same ToS stands that, for what ever reason, Valve has to shut down his service and servers , they could, but, are not obligated to provide continues support for online bought goods.

When they become like GOG.com, I'll maybe consider to get steam account.

I sure hope you use one pc to use the internet and the other to play games and sure as hell you dont use any form of communication between the 2, because the pay off to hack individual pcs is actually higher than to hack something like a large company, or in other terms you actually need to hack the individual pc to hack the large company

I also sure as hell that you dont use any other form of online commerce, since that is the most valuable info you can drop

I also would advise to not use any kind of hosting/cloud services, its easier to enter when the door is open

I would again remind you to read economic and law books, there is no economical sense that steam would fall soon, nor that they would actually let it happen as it was a toy that they didnt want to play anymore. Nor by any law a company that is broken would be capable to provide any support. In the end its a simple exe fix that they need or not to distribute and surely the game companies will provide those.

So noodles no noodles, reality no reality, its up to you

[IlluminatiRex]

Anything tied to Internet can be accessed by anyone with Internet connection. aka. hacking.

Do you make any online purchases (Amazon, Ebay?). Any online Banking? It's a risk you take with doing anything on the internet.

And, it doesn't even need to be a hacker, even Valve/ Steam can TAKE away your purchased games/goods.

They would never just take away your games, they would need an actual REASON to. Like hacking other accounts, pirating a game, using one of those fake programs to "give you" games etc... Really just not following the rules.

[QUOTE=ElvenKind;12884107]That stands in their ToS which you signed when installing steam, when they ban your account, you lose access to your bought games/goods.

I can't accept such a deal with some online store/company.

You accepted on here on TWC that states they can ban you if you break their rules.

And, in that same ToS stands that, for what ever reason, Valve has to shut down his service and servers , they could, but, are not obligated to provide continues support for online bought goods.

That's a safety measure so if they do ever have to shut down, people won't complain that they were not warned.

Exactly.....

Steam was put into place after the Half Life 2 source code was stolen right from under Gabe Newells nose. PC gaming was doing just fine before steam and im sure will continue even if something happens to Gabe Newells draconian love child.

Please don't spread lies. Steam was conceived early in 2002, and was unveiled later that year when Valve wanted to make patching games much easier (Counter Strike 1.6 was a large factor in this), along with implementing a reliable anti-cheat and anti-piracy measures. The Anti Cheat is VAC, and the Anti-Piracy is Steamworks (which not every game uses).

[Zeybek]

The biggest gripe I have with Steam is that probably some day in the future it will fall out of use and what happens to my copy of RTWII then? I know this is a pretty irrational mentality to have, but its the same reason I like boxed copies: its there and I can install and play whenever I want to. I still install MTWII, Shogun, RTW and Age of Mythology on any computer I get just to know that whenever I want to I cant boot up the disk and just start playing. I'm just that kinda guy.

[Rex Armeniae]

@OP:

So this means you won't have Rome 2.

Sucks to be you. Cya.

[King Philip II]

Oh another anti-steam thread. When was the last time you used Steam OP? It seems to me that you are on a moral crusade against CA, as every post in this forum is negative and frankly it's getting tiring seeing the same threads pop up again and again being written by the same people.

- Should I have "Necro'ed" an old thread instead?
- The last time I used Steam was in 2010
- My moral "crusade" is against Steam and DLC, not against CA
- My overall opinion of TWR2 is negative, so I don't see the need to post that I think naval battles, battle map in cities, animations/graphics etc. looks really promising

This thread would be okay if the OP used correct information. Most of his points are, in my experience, false. I for one love Steam for TW. It has far better MP than other pre-Steam/pre-Warscape TWs. It's also a lot easier to get your game patched.

You really can't call my reasons "false" - they can be more or less valid (and one of them I can't document - see previous comments).

TC's made threads about four different deal breakers so far.

Useless troll who somehow gets responses.

In fact there are only two, $team and DLC. I have commented on Modding and general features, and while I don't like some parts of this, then they are not individual "deal-breakers" for me.

Calling me a troll could actually be regarded as trolling. If I was trolling do you not think I would have replied to some af all the negative posts - there is plenty of ammunition there if I was trolling.

@OP:

So this means you won't have Rome 2.

Sucks to be you. Cya.

Ta da

[Rhaegar1]

- Should I have "Necro'ed" an old thread instead?
- The last time I used Steam was in 2010
- My moral "crusade" is against Steam and DLC, not against CA
- My overall opinion of TWR2 is negative, so I don't see the need to post that I think naval battles, battle map in cities, animations/graphics etc. looks really promising



You really can't call my reasons "false" - they can be more or less valid (and one of them I can't document - see previous comments).



In fact there are only two, $team and DLC. I have commented on Modding and general features, and while I don't like some parts of this, then they are not individual "deal-breakers" for me.

Calling me a troll could actually be regarded as trolling. If I was trolling do you not think I would have replied to some af all the negative posts - there is plenty of ammunition there if I was trolling.



Ta da

Seriously? You spend your time posting in multiple threads on a fan forum about a game you are not going to play? Good for you!

If it wasn't so sad I would be laughing really really hard right now. All those folks who base their opionion on misconceptions, internet-rumours and conspiracy theories.

Meanwhile I'm having a blast buying cheap games in sales, gaming with or withouth internet connection on multiple pc's and being able buy additional content for my favorite game for a few bucks. Seems pretty clear I'm enjoying gaming a lot more then when I would be a soured, grumpy, fighting against things I believe are evil kind of guy.

[King Philip II]

His guy declared his own holy crusade against Steam, brethrens. In this dire hours, we the faithful Steam-supporters must unite under the holy battlecry "Jijad" xD

I did not declare anything - I replied to a post where "crusade" was mentioned. However, if the Steam-supports declare Jihad, then I don't mind being called a "Crusader"

Seriously? You spend your time posting in multiple threads on a fan forum about a game you are not going to play? Good for you!

I have already explained why earlier in this thread.

[Wothan]

I like steam

[oOIYvYIOo]

Enough of low excuses and time to buy a new PC to handle Rome 2.