archer stats are they nerfed?

**Spajjder** · May 23, 2013, 02:16 PM

I just wonder.. has shogun 2 patches nerfed down archers`?
As i remember it an bow ashigaru could kill off 1/3 or half of an yari ashigaru before they reached the unit, or two archer units could make them rout before they made contact.
now they only kill like 2-3 per volley... whats up with that?

Archers should be powerful in this game, soldiers dont have shields

moreover, if archers cant beat spear men it breaks the rock scissor paper mechanic of the game no?

Is there an unofficial go back patch that restores the original stats or at least improves archers somewhat?
Can i change it myself somehow in some datafile

i miss my archers!

**Incarnal** · May 23, 2013, 02:37 PM

Are you using Ikko Ikki archers?

**Spajjder** · May 23, 2013, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Incarnal

Are you using Ikko Ikki archers?

no, chosokabe archers, the supposedly best ones

for example if u play the tutorial, the very first one, there is a scene where yari samurai are attacking ur formation of bow samurai, the advisor tells u to shoot the samurais, and then when they get close tells u to "finish them off", but only 10 or so of them have died after 3 shots of the samurais, clearly, it sounds as if they should have been dealt alot more damage.

again, im pretty sure theyre nerfed relatively to spears, is there any way to fix this?

**Dreagon** · May 23, 2013, 09:25 PM

I played a few custom battles with a single chosokabe bow samurai vs a single yari samurai. On average 40 yari samurai got killed before they made contact. I'm pretty sure it's always been like that.
It did make me realize I should probably play more Shogun 2, I forgot how awesome it is.

**Incarnal** · May 24, 2013, 08:40 AM

Well, the most important thing to do is try to improve reload. The faster the reload, the more volleys they get off before they make contact.

**Spajjder** · May 24, 2013, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dreagon

I played a few custom battles with a single chosokabe bow samurai vs a single yari samurai. On average 40 yari samurai got killed before they made contact. I'm pretty sure it's always been like that.
It did make me realize I should probably play more Shogun 2, I forgot how awesome it is.

thats how it used to be. ive tried over and over again, standing uphill, using one bow samurai vs one yari samurai. on avarage i kill 15 men out of 120 after 3-4 shots before the yaris make contact.

compare this with matchlook ashigaru, who with, kneeled fire and 2 lines kill on avarage 80-90 men before contact. I think guns should be strong, maybe even that strong, but bows should be much more powerful, at least the samurais.

Am I really the only one experiencing this? I have tried over and over again, same results. How do I boost archers in the data files?

**Dreagon** · May 24, 2013, 12:08 PM

Maybe it has to do with unit size or something? You seem to be playing on large and I play on huge but it shouldn't make a difference. They should kill about 25% of the enemy unit before contact, which seems to be balanced enough. Bow units can cause a lot of damage but are screwed if they are left unsupported.