Pontus and epirus picture, looks exactly the same...

[jamreal18]

Does anyone notices that pontus and epirus picture of horsemen looks exactly the same?

Armours, helmets, horse accessories looks like clone of each other.

They should be diverse in order for the player to know which unit belongs to which faction.

Although they are both hellenistic, they should be diverse from each other. Look at the picture of macedon, athens and sparta, you can easily tell which unit belongs to which faction...

[Remwr]

They do look remarkable similar. Could just be that they were a placeholder. Though I know that sounds like a weak reason.

[EmperorBatman999]

Epirus, Macedon, Pontus, and Seleucia were all succesor states (alongside Egypt, but you may get to see more diversity there). Pontus, although ruled by a Persian dynasty, combined ideas from both the Hellenistic forces that occupied the region during Alexander the Great and the Persians of their past heritage. What this means is that you're going to see some similarities in equipment between most of the successor states.

[Sherm]

Epirus, Macedon, Pontus, and Seleucia were all succesor states (alongside Egypt, but you may get to see more diversity there). Pontus, although ruled by a Persian dynasty, combined ideas from both the Hellenistic forces that occupied the region during Alexander the Great and the Persians of their past heritage. What this means is that you're going to see some similarities in equipment between most of the successor states.

This, exactly.
Infact I can't understand the question.

[jamreal18]

Its okay if they are slightly similar but they are clones... How could their general knows which army to command or which army is winning in the heat of battle...

[AngryTitusPullo]

Its okay if they are slightly similar but they are clones... How could their general knows which army to command or which army is winning in the heat of battle...

That floating flag obviously.

[The Juggernaut]

I think there will be a bit more variation, since we've only seen ONE unit from each faction.

[jamreal18]

I think there will be a bit more variation, since we've only seen ONE unit from each faction.

I really hope so...

[Modestus]

That’s how Warscape does things, it can switch parts around , plume X can be placed on helmet Y and using torso Z and legs F you can create another type of unit.

The Spartan unit has all the same parts as the Macedonian unit except for the helmet and a re-texture, the Carthaginian unit also appears to be a re-texture of the Macedonian unit, these are your Line infantry of ETW or your Samurai of Shogun 2.

The biggest problem I see with this approach is that unless you have specifically made a model for a certain type of unit your going to see similar animations and fighting techniques across all of the factions and that is I suspect one of the fundamental reasons why we have seen in the videos behaviour similar to shogun 2.

Warscape was always designed with the intention to churn out a game and it does that very well.

[jamreal18]

In pontus page, it says "Pontic Royal Cavalry". How could epirus has pontic royal cavalry which is unique to pontus??

[Jack Lusted]

Pontic Royal Cavalry, and the Hellenic royal Cavalry of Epirus are both elite Hellenic shock cavalry units so use equipment that those unit types did historically. Bronze cuirasses and boeotian style helmets. So yes they look almost identical. Faction colours will differentiate them if they ever fight against each other.

[jamreal18]

Thanks jack for clearing up matters.

[Modestus]

Pontic Royal Cavalry, and the Hellenic royal Cavalry of Epirus are both elite Hellenic shock cavalry units so use equipment that those unit types did historically. Bronze cuirasses and boeotian style helmets. So yes they look almost identical. Faction colours will differentiate them if they ever fight against each other.

The Spartan, the Macedonian and the Carthaginian units we have seen all appear to be the same model with slight variations do they fight exactly the same?

Obviously they could have different stats which will affect the result of combat but is there any other mechanic that will help them to actually fight differently as a unit? You said the Roman units have a system that will make them try and keep formation but do any of these other units have animations or formations that will make them more then just copies of each other.

[Mithridates II the Great]

Pontic Royal Cavalry, and the Hellenic royal Cavalry of Epirus are both elite Hellenic shock cavalry units so use equipment that those unit types did historically. Bronze cuirasses and boeotian style helmets. So yes they look almost identical. Faction colours will differentiate them if they ever fight against each other.

Hello Jack , Does this mean we will see the same units for other factions such as same Cataphracts for both Parthia and Armenia ?

[Jack Lusted]

The Spartan, Macedonian and Carthaginian units we have shown as part of the faction reveals are all hoplite style units. They will share many of the same disciplined fighting traits as the Romans so they will try to stay in formation mre than units without them.

[Keyser]

I am must say i don't understand this critic.

They looked similar in real life.

Sure, they could have make different model for specific factions, but it's hard to do different bronze muscle cuirass or tunics... Those are too generic by default.

Hoplites are hoplites. Phalanx are phalanx, peltasts are peltasts.

Ethnic troops might have specific ethnic gear (like phrygian cap, colored capes etc for thracians) but that's all.

[Modestus]

I am must say i don't understand this critic.

They looked similar in real life.

Sure, they could have make different model for specific factions, but it's hard to do different bronze muscle cuirass or tunics... Those are too generic by default.

Hoplites are hoplites. Phalanx are phalanx, peltasts are peltasts.

Ethnic troops might have specific ethnic gear (like phrygian cap, colored capes etc for thracians) but that's all.

Because it is not real life its a game, similar looking in real life should not necessarily mean similar in ever respect in a game. When I see models that are similar in appearance in RTW2 it reminds me of the line infantry of ETW.

If the Hoplites fight in a disciplined manner like the Romans then not only will you know that they are a strong unit from their stats I will see it on the battlefield, my units will hold formation and there will be less chance of a blobbing effect if on the other hand they turn out to be just a generic melee infantry then I will have a bar room brawl and tactics can go out the window.

Put it this way I want to see my Spartans holding a tight formation against other infantry, I want to see a disciplined formation, a wall of shields cutting a sway through the enemy not some clowns bunching up into ball.

I make no bones about the fact that I don’t like Warscape and I don’t trust it as an engine to do justice to this type of warfare.

[Keyser]

If it's about the animation or how heavy infantry units differ from each other, then it's another matter entirely and i agree with you.

However, i think we will see a difference between "regular" heavy infantry, shieldwall, spear phalanx, pike phalanx etc.

Will these differences be marked enough or be close to a real formation, i don't know and i doubt it.
But i wouldn't blame it on warscape though, more about how CA simulate warfare since their first game.

We will still have the same way to spread a unit by dropping it on the ground while cliking with only a handfull of special formations. Each units behaving roughly similarly. That's the total war formula and they don't seem intend to change it, since they didn't for Empire and Napoléon who were the game that needed the most a departure from this system.

[jamreal18]

I just wanna ask why did CA use units which is similar with other factions? I hope CA shows unit in faction preview which is unique to each faction...

[Jokern]

Hey Jack, are we going to see tunics with different patterns in Rome II or just plain ones?