An Apology for the behavior of Certain Members of the Community

[King Philip II]

Hahaha I think more to the point was that the devs can handle the criticism and don't need legions of screaming fanboys to attack every critic. I have a cousin who plays EVE, and to him it is serious business.

I don't follow all CA's posts, but what I have seen looks professional and informative, except maybe the post where we were called stupid and dumb.

Spaceships ARE very serious business. When we didin't like what CCP Games did to our game we made the "Jita Riots" http://www.eveonline.com/capsuleers/jita-riots
CCP turned a **** storm into a success story. Well Done.

[Nicolaos]

Am I really a fanboy because I have loved every total war game so far? (except empire, I only liked that one)
Am I a fanboy because I have never regret a decision I made in regards of a CA product?
I might also be a fanboy because I have a positive opinion about the upcoming title

However, it's a fact that lately the communication on this forum has suffered a lot. "Fanboys vs. Whiners"...
In most discussions there isn't even anything achieved, the members just try to convince somebody of their opinion, and if he doesn't agree he gets flamed, called brainwashed and so on (this usually happens to fanboys I think)

LemonySwift, I agree with a lot of points you made, however you failed to express yourself in a calm manner

I also have to say that the amount of whining is extremely high lately. A lot of critique is in fact no criticizing at all, but just pure whining for the fun of it as it seems.

Yes, there is freedom of speech, but imo criticizing a product with so few information is unwise. And unfair if all of us reflect on this one thing: How much fun have total war games brought us so far? I think if I count all of the games together it sums up to more than 2000 hrs. Just something to think about...

[magpie]

Relax people,

I don,t think I have seen any post,s that have made a personal attack on the CA representatives.

Of course some of their development decisions have disappointed a percentage of the TWC member,s and people have posted their disapproval.

Just as some development decisions have been applauded with posts of approval.

Where the line gets crossed in bad manner,s is member,s trolling other member,s posts.

I think if you do not like a TWC member,s opinion or post on an aspect of the ROME II game or CA,s marketing policy then post a proper reply.
Detailing your reasons on why you disagree with their post or opinion.

One does not need to flame or troll with one liner,s or less.

regards,

magpie

[c.ryo]

I haven't read through 11 pages of this topic, however I have read the first post and will add towards it.

We as a community represent different points of views, we have different ideas and different approaches towards " how we think it should be " however sadly in many cases those factors don't usually add up and do not satisfy us.
If everyone would all share same ideas and views our world would have only grey and white colour , our differences add colour to it, even if we may not like some, they are and will be there.

I was not pleased by many things CA did in the past, some decisions they have made in game development and some paths they chose, however their games, Total War series still have pretty much zero competition on the market, they are unique and how ever good or bad they are - there is a replay-ability in them. And for that I am thankful to CA for their constant contributions towards my favorite genre - strategy.

Jet criticism is crucial and important, as OP said there is a lot of negative, childish, trolling and plain " i don't agree with you i troll you " kind of comments and threads, those are unnecessarily and silly, jet criticism in it's essence is crucial towards the end product, as it shapes it, more or less but it does that. Not all of our ideas may be listened to, not all of our threads read but knowing at least that something has been taken into account, is already good enough as some developers don't care at all.

End product will be good, I may not like it as much as I wish, but it will be a quality product that hopefully with some modding ( at least for me ) end up as what I have waited for.

[Anna_Gein]

The AI vastly improved in diplomacy. It is now able to realize when the war is lost and ask for peace that will last for more than 10 turns or even vassalization. It just that RD throw this improvement out of the window so you have the impression nothing improved but it did.

[Remwr]

I really have nothing more to add on this topic, but I am totally surprised that this has gone on for 12 pages....... I expected maybe 1 or 2 at the most when I started it. Nothing against anything or anyone, but it's just been a bit of a shock.

[_XIII_]

agree with the topic , it's been a while since I visited the forums and I was about to propose a change of name to total whine center it's good to see that most of us want constructive instead of telling the world CA ruined your life

[Inhuman One]

While modders of course deserve credit for doing some good work, lets not forget that the modders did not make the actual game. CA did that, and say what you will, these games are no simple sequels and there is plenty of development time put in them. Each game offers completely new things to improve the overall experience. Every other triple A developer can learn from their great example.
Pretty much all of them are slipping in recent years, always trying the easiest way and the fastest way to make cash.

They are the undisputed king of the historic strategy genre.

[Emperor Domitianus]

I did not ask or want an apology that would mean nothing from you or anyone on this forum as it would be meaningless.
If it makes people uncomfortable fair enough that makes sense why make them uncomfortable for no reason, but seeing a the real representation of Scipio who you also did not know and is dead is ok its really the same difference. But you could just not zoom in.
But does because someone is gone they should not be forgotten regardless of their achievements. But personally a tribute in the game manual perhaps would have been fine if CA insisted on a tribute. Can I just point out his family and friends did not ask for anything like this.

edit. I get what people mean a game is for enjoyment rather than reflection I doubt CA meant it in bad taste but can understand how it would be interpreted.

I can agree with you about the text in the manual. I must be free to zoom in when and as I want and don't see that face. Especially because it would be dump to be forced to let the general been killed and eliminate him from the game to play in tranquillity.

Many people found it of a Bad Taste
Many people are feeling disturbed by seeing a dead men face , in such a tragc way and knowing all the background in a game
Many other just think it is disrespectfull for it and for other customers of a game .
People are supposed to laugh , enjoy and be happy playing the game , not mumpling , reflecting and feeling bad by constantly seeing that face .
Some would find it even religiously blasphemic

Personally I find instead it is disquieting and distrurbing .

It is not really a good choice , most of developers or movie makers write " in memory of ... " they do not slap into the face of everyone that dramatic event in what shoudl instead be a moment of recreation and distraction .
Instead this choice has turned it into a disquieting and disturbing feeling .

This has nothing to do with respect or insulting . it has to do with how people feel about it .

Thx for the support man.

[removeduser_45762834756]

this no longer on first page? Blasphemy!

[The Roman Republic]

Seeing some posts recently made me finally take the step of getting an account just to reply to them. I would like to say to the Creative Assembly and all of the employees who use their time to help us by answering questions on the forums that not everyone on this site is both ungrateful and rude. It is a select minority that in my opinion has raised their ugly head too often in recent threads. I know I'll probably get shot down for this, but I really thought that someone needed to say this publicly. Creative Assembly is one of my favorite development studios, and I don't want to see them go the way of Bioware where fan backlash may have caused the founders to seek an early retirement. A perfectly legitimate choice following the amount of rude comments that they had to deal with. So to CA and especially to the employees who often post here, the majority of people here still do now how to be pleasant and do appreciate the amount of time and work you all put into the games that we love.

Sincerely,
A Grateful member of the TW Community

finally some sense of reality within this cocoon of craziness of which is the R2TW forum.

[Semper_Fidelis]

Many people have said "If you don't like it don't buy it" and that kinda bothers me. First off this is the forums and anyone can post anything as long as it is on topic and that includes constructive criticism, I believe as a consumer and fan of this game series that I as well as everyone else who cares about this game can give some input and opinions about this game and hopefully it will urge CA to better their game not just for a product that they can be proud of bit also a game that everyone can enjoy without compromising historical accuracy for great gameplay.

As for the people that make threads about how they are not going to buy the game shame on you, it is quite silly and pointless because not only does it crowd up the forums with useless threads but it also shows that we are people that only care about our opinions which certainly is not true. If you are going to make a thread correcting CA, do just that and don't threaten to not buy the game because your needs aren't being met.

[AlexCouceiro]

It is a select minority that in my opinion has raised their ugly head too often in recent threads. I know I'll probably get shot down for this, but I really thought that someone needed to say this publicly.

You should definitely be shot down, but only if it were done in a very sentimental and pathetic fashion.

[DeliCiousTZM]

There are a few people that take it too far on regular occasion,you know who you are . But even tho their wrong and exaggerate quite a lot. I do value their suspicion,because one day they might actually be right.
On the subject of Rome II tho i think we are all psyched and are all looking forward too it. And for all of those haters that wont buy it, for that reason or this reason are the ones that ultimately lose. If the game delivers like it is expected to.

[Totalheadache]

There are a few people that take it too far on regular occasion,you know who you are . But even tho their wrong and exaggerate quite a lot. I do value their suspicion,because one day they might actually be right.
On the subject of Rome II tho i think we are all psyched and are all looking forward too it. And for all of those haters that wont buy it, for that reason or this reason are the ones that ultimately lose. If the game delivers like it is expected to.

LemonySniffit
Calm down and apologize. I have a high tolerance for trolling but threatening physical stuff" like shove it down you throat" or" Kill "someone is no acceptable. Repent now or expect an incoming ban. Treating people like nerds you can push around is not cool.

isnt that a contradiction? "even though they are wrong" followed by "one day they might actually be right".

so we are wrong now but due to hitherto unknown factors one day we might be right?

how about no-one is right or wrong and it's all speculation based on one's own interpretation of the facts?

[DeliCiousTZM]

isnt that a contradiction? "even though they are wrong" followed by "one day they might actually be right".

so we are wrong now but due to hitherto unknown factors one day we might be right?

how about no-one is right or wrong and it's all speculation based on one's own interpretation of the facts?

No it isn't. being paranoid and suspicious are useful traits for a watchdog. So keep watching there are plenty of conspiracies in the world that are true, but that don't mean all of them are! No tin foil intended.

[Prof]

When did this turn into a thread about a tw-fan getting credit by having his face put into the game?

I'm sure, he didn't have any problem with it and that's all that counts.

[removeduser_45762834756]

When did this turn into a thread about a tw-fan getting credit by having his face put into the game?

judging by the content of the 12 pages, this has became, a rather big resume and gathering of all complains from both sides of the rope, the ones who bow down before CA and like to praise them as all mighty saints...... and those who questions the path they are taking and specially their last decisions.... and well anyone in between who is not biased trough any extreme just yet...

Am personally enjoying it quite a lot....

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I don't agree with the whole " if you don't like it don't buy it and just go away" argument.

yeap, as a matter of fact, if we apply this to all things in life and we just looked the other way when we don't like something, without ever expressing how we feel about it, it's rather safe to assume that human society as a whole would still be somewhere around the stone age...

i read a quote once somewhere: "it cost nothing to speak out, but remaining silent, can cost you everything"

[DeliCiousTZM]

judging by the content of the 12 pages, this has became, a rather big resume and gathering of all complains from both sides of the rope, the ones who bow down before CA and like to praise them as all mighty saints...... and those who questions the path they are taking and specially their last decisions.... and well anyone in between who is not biased trough any extreme just yet...

Am personally enjoying it quite a lot....

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yeap, as a matter of fact, if we apply this to all things in life and we just looked the other way when we don't like something, without ever expressing how we feel about it, it's rather safe to assume that human society as a whole would still be somewhere around the stone age...

i read a quote once somewhere: "it cost nothing to speak out, but remaining silent, can cost you everything"

Well written. Just remember tho if there are those that bow down to CA and praise them as all mighty saints. You are on the opposite side, not a reasonable skeptic.

[removeduser_45762834756]

Well written. Just remember tho if there are those that bow down to CA and praise them as all mighty saints. You are on the opposite side, not a reasonable skeptic.

oh i know that and i firmly admit it, it's not a secret that i am on the rather skeptical group, and not on the "oh lets praise the CA master"....