An Apology for the behavior of Certain Members of the Community

[Spajjder]

CA has improved alot over the years.
I was really really impressed with Shogun 2. It had almost all I could ask for. In pure game mechanics, it was almost perfect.

This said, I do not think that we as fans should stop critiquing CA:s games.
I wish there was a studio who produced some games similar to the total war games, famous games, like CoD vs MoH, with both the overhead map as well as real time battles.
I dont think that is copy righted. I wish this, because even if the games werent as good as CA:s, they could bring in some fresh Ideas and concepts to inspire CA to make some new cool things. I know there is EU games and crusader kings, but those games are a bit too deep and have another fan base largely.

[Akmatov]

Great Post

+1 rep

[removeduser_45762834756]

and I don't want to see them go the way of Bioware where fan backlash may have caused the founders to seek an early retirement.

cut the act pls, its their own fault they sold the company to EA to fill their own pockets, and when they saw the monster they had created and how un-happy their true fans were because of the crap they were releasing, no wonder they decided to drop out to not get their hands and names more dirty than they were already....

It was Bioware who let down their fan-base, and spit on their face... not the other way around... and i truly believe CA is following the same path...

[Seanakk]

You shouldn't pre-order via Steam it's a rip off, I pre-ordered via Amazon and it cost £29.99.

[pajomife]

They are charging 55 euros for this game,for this price they could take any criticism,rants,insults,tornados,earthquakes,bomb attacks etc. This isn't a official forum,and we dont need any moral lesson form a new commer. Or a old member with new account.

[daniu]

I find a lot of the whining about the criticism to be even more ridiculous. Then there was the fanboy rage when some folks here had the audacity to suggest that pre-ordering wasn't such a smart idea.

I think you misunderstand the "whining about the criticism". It's not the criticism that's the problem, it's the insults that are being thrown around immediately as soon as someone doesn't have the same opinion or even pre-emptively. And, it's always the ones criticizing CA going all-in with the insults - you'll be hard-pressed to find nearly as many from the "fanboys" as I will from the "whiners", especially pro-active ones. Case in point you used the belittling term "fanboys" too. Do people think this strengthens their argument somehow?
Or, look at the first "criticizer" post in this very thread:

typical overreaction from fanboys.
really this forum is starting to make me think we have kids come over from the cod forums.
grow up![...]
you only need to have a very basic knowledge of some of the stuff that happens re computer games

How can posts like this sound civil, or even reasonable, let alone "grown up" to anyone? It's laughable.
Among the problems is that the more criticism is presented this way, the less likely CA are to even be willing to listen to the people posting them, even if there is stuff somewhere along the line worth them hearing it... they have ignore lists too.

If people were to calmly present argument instead of saying "those pre-ordering are stupid sheeple crawling up CA's ass who ruin gaming for everyone", the discussion would be much more civil.

[Totalheadache]

I think you misunderstand the "whining about the criticism". It's not the criticism that's the problem, it's the insults that are being thrown around immediately as soon as someone doesn't have the same opinion or even pre-emptively. And, it's always the ones criticizing CA going all-in with the insults - you'll be hard-pressed to find nearly as many from the "fanboys" as I will from the "whiners", especially pro-active ones. Case in point you used the belittling term "fanboys" too. Do people think this strengthens their argument somehow?
Or, look at the first "criticizer" post in this very thread:

How can posts like this sound civil, or even reasonable, let alone "grown up" to anyone? It's laughable.
Among the problems is that the more criticism is presented this way, the less likely CA are to even be willing to listen to the people posting them, even if there is stuff somewhere along the line worth them hearing it... they have ignore lists too.

If people were to calmly present argument instead of saying "those pre-ordering are stupid sheeple crawling up CA's ass who ruin gaming for everyone", the discussion would be much more civil.

really what real insults? you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

all i have read so far is people saying "i dont want to buy because of x and y etc" then a torrent of fanboys getting their knickers in a twist. i'd love you to find me something that's really insulting. i.e CA are a bunch of xxxx...

maybe 1 post out of how many threads?

but i give u 10/10 for trying to make constructive criticism sound like it's all downright insulting. anyways the mods are here and so far I have been really impressed in how they are managing the situation. it's very nice to see that both sides of an arguement have been given fair treatment.

the only people on this forum with the real problem is fanboys (and i hate to use this word, makes me wince but I cant think of another polite term to use which wont get me an infraction) who seem intent on making comments like "whiners,babies etc"

or the other classic "if you dont like it, dont buy it".

the lack of originality in some of the posts is quite astounding.

[jamreal18]

What apology are you talking about? Did some member offend or attack someone?
Many threads here are critism, correction or demands of possible consumers.
Some are opinions or comments, some are sarcastic but its okay, it opinion or suggestions from players who will buy the game anyways.

[ElvenKind]

I think you misunderstand the "whining about the criticism". It's not the criticism that's the problem, it's the insults that are being thrown around immediately as soon as someone doesn't have the same opinion or even pre-emptively.

Come on mate, this works both ways, when someone posts some critics regarding this or that, he gets insults thrown at him too just because he has some other opinion.

[Huberto]

It's not the criticism that's the problem, it's the insults that are being thrown around immediately as soon as someone doesn't have the same opinion or even pre-emptively. And, it's always the ones criticizing CA going all-in with the insults - you'll be hard-pressed to find nearly as many from the "fanboys" as I will from the "whiners", especially pro-active ones.

Because you identify with fanboys you don't see their insults even when they're staring you in the face. It's really all about your perspective. I find fanboys incredibly insulting at times, but I roll with it, well, because it's the internet.

If people were to calmly present argument instead of saying "those pre-ordering are stupid sheeple crawling up CA's ass who ruin gaming for everyone", the discussion would be much more civil.

I sincerely believe that pre-ordering ruins games for everyone, and I've stated it firmly and often on this forum. And the fanboy hate and rage in reply has been relentless. You're really just proving my point here.

[Yayattasa]

This one goes to the people that says modding is not profitable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARMA_2#DayZ_Modification
In other words, a mod made a 3 year old game become the top selling game on STEAM. ARMA 2 stayed 7 weeks on the top selling chart.
Talk about profits...

I will replicate this post in some other threads, it's really not spam!

[Grobar]

I agree with OP. So much negativity about a game can bring the highest enthusiasm for a game down. That is why I avoid TWC forum like a plague when every new total war game is released. I think there should be a special forum for those who see Rome 2 as a glass half empty where they can wallow in their negativity, grind off each other and make themselves even more miserable about game.

[Praetorian_BGX]

That is why I avoid TWC forum like a plague when every new total war game is released.

Unfortunately, in the last few years, this pre-release forum period is much more interesting that actual product.

I think there should be a special forum for those who see Rome 2 as a glass half empty where they can wallow in their negativity, grind off each other and make themselves even more miserable about game.

So normal forum for "yes man" and barbed wire for the rest?

[Grobar]

So normal forum for "yes man" and barbed wire for the rest?

Normal forum for those who accept and love total war game even though it’s far from perfect because they know there is nothing else on the market similar to TW. Normal forum for those who don’t demand free DLCs from developers because they know basic game by itself is worth more then its full price. Normal forum for those who don’t treat developers as lackeys just because they bought a TW game. Normal forum for those who know the line between offering advice on how to improve the game and spreading butthurt to everyone else just because they are unhappy with some aspects of a game.

[AgentGB]

I think you misunderstand the "whining about the criticism". It's not the criticism that's the problem, it's the insults that are being thrown around immediately as soon as someone doesn't have the same opinion or even pre-emptively. And, it's always the ones criticizing CA going all-in with the insults - you'll be hard-pressed to find nearly as many from the "fanboys" as I will from the "whiners", especially pro-active ones. Case in point you used the belittling term "fanboys" too. Do people think this strengthens their argument somehow?
Or, look at the first "criticizer" post in this very thread:

How can posts like this sound civil, or even reasonable, let alone "grown up" to anyone? It's laughable.
Among the problems is that the more criticism is presented this way, the less likely CA are to even be willing to listen to the people posting them, even if there is stuff somewhere along the line worth them hearing it... they have ignore lists too.

If people were to calmly present argument instead of saying "those pre-ordering are stupid sheeple crawling up CA's ass who ruin gaming for everyone", the discussion would be much more civil.

ouch..
Ill say a year or so ago i may have been a bit critical, and offended a really good chap, when there was a huge clamouring for mod tools, but that was last year i believe, and hope im not one of the people you can point at? But generally im just here to keep tabs on the game ive been wanting CA to make since E:TW.

[-Concrete-]

I can't believe the CA guys still post on here. So much open hostility. Funny thing is the only other Forum I use is an mma forum, and the discussion there is far more informed, polite and rational.

[Sharpe]

I can't believe the CA guys still post on here. So much open hostility. Funny thing is the only other Forum I use is an mma forum, and the discussion there is far more informed, polite and rational.

I often feel the same - I have been on the bodybuilding.com forums for years and it is (for the most part) a lot more civil/informed than here.

Doesn't have the "butthurt lol factor" though

[King Philip II]

I can't believe the CA guys still post on here. So much open hostility. Funny thing is the only other Forum I use is an mma forum, and the discussion there is far more informed, polite and rational.

They post here because it's their job to post here. I think this forum is very civil compared to other forums I use. The forum for EVE Online can be a little harsh - I recall a member telling a Dev that "he should take a long walk off a short pier". Of course the member was banned for a couple of months. EVE Online Community Managers needs a thick skin and combat experience.

[Mary The Quene]

Agreed

[Emperor Domitianus]

Seeing some posts recently made me finally take the step of getting an account just to reply to them. I would like to say to the Creative Assembly and all of the employees who use their time to help us by answering questions on the forums that not everyone on this site is both ungrateful and rude. It is a select minority that in my opinion has raised their ugly head too often in recent threads. I know I'll probably get shot down for this, but I really thought that someone needed to say this publicly. Creative Assembly is one of my favorite development studios, and I don't want to see them go the way of Bioware where fan backlash may have caused the founders to seek an early retirement. A perfectly legitimate choice following the amount of rude comments that they had to deal with. So to CA and especially to the employees who often post here, the majority of people here still do now how to be pleasant and do appreciate the amount of time and work you all put into the games that we love.

Sincerely,
A Grateful member of the TW Community

What can I say?! You are completely right. I am disgusted by most of the comments on this forum lately. People ranting and accusing CA in all the ways possible. What is most disgusting is how people claims the modders to be the soul of the TW games completely forgetting what CA is nearly going to give us. This is what people is waiting, including me, since the first RTW was released. People ranting about pre-orders, accuracy and whatever they can think about.
It's so pity and I want to join you in apologizing and thanking CA for their hard work.