An Apology for the behavior of Certain Members of the Community

[PrinceofPersia]

Agree with OP.

Ca has given me many years of solitude bliss....just me against the world.
What I don't understand, is why people get so emotional about something...which infact is nothing but merely some dubios quotes (nothing official from CA)
Anyways the way I look at it, CA have given us tools in the past, to assist with modding and even take out their own time replying to some douches, before the fake rumours spread like wildfire, Time which they could of done something else.

Anyways CA, I am pretty sure at least 90% of the users here are decent, just a few prats. Who expect everything to be given to them.....bit like spoilt kids.

[BunnyPoopCereal]

pfft these forums are the friendliest on the internet.

[Totalheadache]

pfft these forums are the friendliest on the internet.

also if there are people who are intent on trolling CA members making threads like this and then posting fanboy type comments is just going to encourage them to persist with more.

they like to be fed

[magpie]

The sooner this game is released the better.

At least people will be able to post on facts rather than conjecture and hype.

[Holger Danske]

The sooner this game is released the better.

At least people will be able to post on facts rather than conjecture and hype.

Actually no. The sooner the game is released the more like the skeptics will end up right. #cough#simcity#cough#

[Cresilia]

The sooner this game is released the better.

At least people will be able to post on facts rather than conjecture and hype.

Oh come now, the pre-release period is by far the most entertaining time on a forum!

[Halie Satanus]

While I agree with the sentiment, and it is a major boon to the community to have guys from CA posting here and interacting (not long ago that seemed a distant dream). But keep in mind we are consumers, and as consumers we have the right to expect products that work, you wouldn't buy a car without wheels and you wouldn't but half a box of Cornflakes. While I agree there are many many stupid comments, keep in mind they often have come from the frustration of previous titles being far from polished at release.

[Yayattasa]

It's like some people here fear CA would stop working if they stopped worshipping them. Well, CA is one of the most lucratives SEGA's studios, they will keep on working for some time, I'm sure.

[spiderknight]

It's like some people here fear CA would stop working if they stopped worshipping them. Well, CA is one of the most lucratives SEGA's studios, they will keep on working for some time, I'm sure.

This. I am critical because i like total war so much. The attitude of fan boys here seems to be that unless they only say good things somehow CA will withhold the game from them. If you create a product you should expect honest criticism. It can only make the product better.

[nameless]

It's like some people here fear CA would stop working if they stopped worshipping them. Well, CA is one of the most lucratives SEGA's studios, they will keep on working for some time, I'm sure.

People like you are the reason why these threads get derailed and that's a fact.

It's more like people are fearing that CA would stop working if these certain people continue to hurl insults and spread misinformation all over the place. Bioware is the perfect example of this though they kinda did shoot themselves in the foot when they went over to work with EA.

For example, if I had a dime for every time a CA member had to come in to clear up facts only to be followed by the exact same question and insult that had him come in to answer in the first place I'd be a rich fellow.

This. I am critical because i like total war so much. The attitude of fan boys here seems to be that unless they only say good things somehow CA will withhold the game from them. If you create a product you should expect honest criticism. It can only make the product better.

The difference is that we got people coming in here demanding information that's ALREADY been released and asking for silly misc things. Again, how many times has CA repeated the same thing yet people come in asking the same thing over and over again?

If it's constructive then that's great but so far a lot of these threads aren't constructive critcisim at all. And what's so constructive about critcisim that spreads misinformation? How does that make a product better?

For example, explain to me what's so constructive about creating a thread to create a faction simply because they were your ancestors?

[Darth_Revan]

People like you are the reason why these threads get derailed and that's a fact.

It's more like people are fearing that CA would stop working if these certain people continue to hurl insults and spread misinformation all over the place. Bioware is the perfect example of this though they kinda did shoot themselves in the foot when they went over to work with EA.

For example, if I had a dime for every time a CA member had to come in to clear up facts only to be followed by the exact same question and insult that had him come in to answer in the first place I'd be a rich fellow.

If you think CA will stop making games because there are those within the fan base that insult them, then you are misguided. As long as the money keeps rolling in, they will keep making games. Their not going to stop making games because their feelings got hurt, that is not how business works.

Don't go around accusing other members of derailing threads just because they voice their opinion. Wrong or not, annoying or not, it is in their right to do so.

[nameless]

If you think CA will stop making games because there are those within the fan base that insult them, then you are misguided. As long as the money keeps rolling in, they will keep making games. Their not going to stop making games because their feelings got hurt, that is not how business works.

Clearly you missed my Bioware portion but that again falls into the whole "If I had a dime everytime CA had to repeat themselves...."

But you're missing the point.

How many devs come in and chat with the community? They have zero obligations to come in and chat with you. So if these attitudes keep up what's the point of them even bothering when no matter how many times they explain it just results in the same insults and complaints?

As for accusing go and check out the other posts and then come back when you have. There's more than enough evidence lying around. You just proved my point about people simply ignoring other points in a post just so they can keep saying the same thing over and over again.

DUDE, you know the power of $$$$ right?

Maybe I should've rephrased that.

What's the point of them coming out to chat with us and get ideas from us if all we're going to do is insult and complain?

Though you do bring up a good point. In the end all of these so called whiners and complainers will end up buying anyways so why can't we focus more on constructive criticisms? There are a few good ones around here and CA HAS come in to discuss about them which unfortunately gets buried by all these other crappy threads.

[Yayattasa]

People like you are the reason why these threads get derailed and that's a fact.

It's more like people are fearing that CA would stop working if these certain people continue to hurl insults and spread misinformation all over the place. Bioware is the perfect example of this though they kinda did shoot themselves in the foot when they went over to work with EA.

For example, if I had a dime for every time a CA member had to come in to clear up facts only to be followed by the exact same question and insult that had him come in to answer in the first place I'd be a rich fellow.


The difference is that we got people coming in here demanding information that's ALREADY been released and asking for silly misc things. Again, how many times has CA repeated the same thing yet people come in asking the same thing over and over again?

If it's constructive then that's great but so far a lot of these threads aren't constructive critcisim at all. And what's so constructive about critcisim that spreads misinformation? How does that make a product better?

For example, explain to me what's so constructive about creating a thread to create a faction simply because they were your ancestors?

DUDE, you know the power of $$$$ right?

[spiderknight]

The difference is that we got people coming in here demanding information that's ALREADY been released and asking for silly misc things. Again, how many times has CA repeated the same thing yet people come in asking the same thing over and over again?

If it's constructive then that's great but so far a lot of these threads aren't constructive critcisim at all. And what's so constructive about critcisim that spreads misinformation? How does that make a product better?

For example, explain to me what's so constructive about creating a thread to create a faction simply because they were your ancestors?

I completely agree that there are some absolutely ridiculous things being discussed and demanded on this forum. For one member though, with a messiah complex, to take the sins of the forum and repent before CA is also rather ridiculous.

[Megalos]

and you wouldn't but half a box of Cornflakes...

Wait a minute. The boxes of cornflakes you buy are full? Holy crap, my supermarket owes me like, lots of cornflakes.


As to the opening post, although I don't subscribe to the thoughts and actions of the incessant complainers, this place is a discussion forum, and everyone has a right to say what they like as long as it falls into the terms and conditions they agreed to when they signed up here. What you're basically saying is, unless someone has something nice to say about CA, they should say nothing at all. That however is not the ethos of this site.

This is TWC, a fansite for total war games, for the fans, by the fans. This is not the bow down to CA, and get out if you don't site. You are naive if you think CA comes here to be nice. They come here to sell their game as priority numero uno, they also come here for damage control if necessity warrants it or a particularly dubious marketing decision is called into question, so they can sell more games.

The whole caring, sensitive persona the company portrays, is just a face, so that you, the unwitting consumer buys more games. I do think Will and Craig genuinely are thoroughly nice chaps, but it's not the reason they are here. CA employed them because of their likeability, but they are here, ultimately to represent CA to their consumers, so that the consumers continue to buy. Lets just be absolutely clear about that.

If you think that people complaining on a forum is going to stop them coming here (the largest fansite for total war games), you are sadly mistaken. On the contrary to your opening post, the complainers here serve a very real purpose, that counters and balances your own 'apple of my eye' viewpoint of CA, meaning a better gaming experience for everyone.

Think on that.

[Kraxis]

The whole caring, sensitive persona the company portrays, is just a face, so that you, the unwitting consumer buys more games. I do think Will and Craig genuinely are thoroughly nice chaps, but it's not the reason they are here. CA employed them because of their likeability, but they are here, ultimately to represent CA to their consumers, so that the consumers continue to buy. Lets just be absolutely clear about that.

If you think that people complaining on a forum is going to stop them coming here (the largest fansite for total war games), you are sadly mistaken. On the contrary, the complainers serve a very real purpose that counters and balances your own 'apple of my eye' viewpoint of CA, meaning a better gaming experience for everyone.

Think on that.

The amount of people they can get into 'the fold', by posting with a sensitive front here, is literally a handful. Most people here are set one way or another. Either they are going to buy the game or they are not, and these guys can't do squat about it. They gain their buyers through Rally Point and the gaming news sites. So why should they even post here, if not for the simple interest in doing so? TWC isn't exactly a news site, and it hasn't got a huge following of non-members. It isn't cost effective to post here, yet there are CA posts.

Think about it, if the CA reps never posted a single post again, what would their loss be? A number of people with misunderstood understandings about certain aspects, and that's about it. TWC is superbly important for modding, but for for actual sales? The effort is better spent elsewhere. No CA posts would result is barely any change here. The same discussions and the same interests would prevail.

[Remwr]

Okay maybe I did overreact, but I was just annoyed by many of the posts i had seen complaining about modding in particular. People saying that the tools weren't out fast enough. Ect.

[oOIYvYIOo]

The politics on this unique comunity should change a bit to avoid trollers .
There are members that dont even play the modds ,or have 20h with each TW game and just make thousand of posts where the majority is just trolling,disrepecting people on all aspects.
But its the duty of each of all of us here on TWC to reprimand,to call of the attention that this is not the place for this behaviour and help the moderators work.
This is just a game ,we know what we know and we want to know .Its not more or less than the next one.

[Totalheadache]

The politics on this unique comunity should change a bit to avoid trollers .
There are members that dont even play the modds ,or have 20h wich each game and just make thousand of posts where the majority is just trolling,disrepecting people on all aspects.
But its the duty of each of all of us here on TWC to reprimand,to call of the attention that this is not the place for this behaviour and help the moderators work.
This is just a game ,we know what we know and we want to know .Its not more or less than the next one.

no it's the moderators job to mod not your's nor anyone else here.

[oOIYvYIOo]

no it's the moderators job to mod not your's nor anyone else here.

A perfect example.
I gave my opinion on a topic where its not done for debates or discussions ,but you instead of giving youre message ,you just quoted all my post and wrote 1 part of it.
Why dont you give your opinion only ?
Why you need to quote others ?
Dont you have nothing to say ?
Dont then.

And if you disagree is just due you dont concern whats hapening around you on this forum .
Good to know where you stand.
Weird how you feel that way and have so many rep.