TWR2 - Do not get your hopes up

[King Philip II]

If you expect the new Rome Total War II (RTW2, TWR2, R2TW or whatever the lame CA marketing department decided to call it this time) to be anything like the old RTW you'll be sorely dissapointed.

RTW opened the floodgates of modding TW and created interest in new mods. The Rome Total Realism and Europa Barbaroum mods was right in their face. We yelled as loud as we could: "We do not want burning pigs! .... We do not want our children dumber than they already are ... we want historically correct contents"

The Barbarian Invasion expansion was a joke - good ideas, horrible implementation with too many lame bugs. The Invasio Barbaroum team made that expansion playable IMO - they should receive royalties.

First release of M2TW ...utter disaster ... first patch ... do they listen to us ... and finally, Kingdoms second patch - now we have something to work with (mindblowingly bugged still, but a lot of modders made it playable in no time).

Truely amazing Mods such as Third Age Total War is now available for M2TW. Europa Barbaroum II is picking up speed and it's only a matter of time before RS and RTR announces their M2TW conversion projects.

Imagine the amount of back sales CA is getting from this. It's a lot.

I'm not even mentioning Empire Total War - it does not deserve a mention.

Do not get your hopes up - just saying

Edit: I forgot to mention "De Bello Mundi" - it's looking really sweet. Congrats to our Italian friends for realising an awesome mod.

[HinFoo]

i dunno, i liked both r1 and the pigs.

[eLus1on]

I got my hopes up no matter what, THE FORCE IS STRONG IN ROME 2 !

[Julio-Claudian]

We do not want our children dummer than they already are

But gosh, doom and gloom. Talk about pessimism.

[HinFoo]

But gosh, doom and gloom. Talk about pessimism.

ignorance is bliss

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

ignorance is bliss

Actually: Ignorance is strenght

[TsarGrey]

So all you're saying is that Rome II won't be moddable (propably right) so it can't, by any chance, be good or even better than RTW?

[HinFoo]

So all you're saying is that Rome II won't be moddable (propably right) so it can't, by any chance, be good or even better than RTW?

i think he is trying to say that CA is dumb.

[Eofor]

If you expect the new Rome Total War II (RTW2, TWR2, R2TW or whatever the lame CA marketing department decided to call it this time) to be anything like the old RTW you'll be sorely dissapointed.

I agree-Rome 2 will have half decent AI and all the playable factions will be properly represented and balanced instead of having Roman super soldiers and elite barbarian warriors who break as soon as anything else gives them a mean look.
By the way it's pretty telling that when you argue that the game will be buggy you cite games released at least four years and three development cycles ago instead of more recent ones.
As to modding, it's not CAs fault that the modding community continues to whine about lack of moddability after official mod tools, which they apparently expected were magic wands capable of instantly conjuring up total conversion mods instead of software made to help people modify certain aspects of the game, were released and prefers to fart out realism mod after realism mod for Rome 1 and Medieval 2.
Also, when EB 2 is released I'll be having fun with Rome 4.

[Sharpe]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Not everyone feels the same way as you - about mods or the original games.

I personally have enjoyed the series since the first Medieval and am playing Shogun 2 right now.

Your view is so typical of the modders that populate this forum - not everyone wants to download some files from the Internet, some want to play out of the box, not worry about mods or modding and have all the more fun for it. The most fun I have ever had is on the original games - mods are pleasant distraction and commendable work but they are not the be-all end-all.

Do not get your hopes up - just saying

My hopes are up and I am not going to let someone with clear bias towards the modifactions of titles tell me other wise. To me (the view that really matters to myself) the game looks amazing, the factions are all nice, the landscapes look fantastic, though we have not heard much of the gameplay if it is not too different from Shogun 2 I can't imagine it going wrong at all.

We do not want our children dummer than they already are ... we want historically correct contents"

Dumber*

You can be the most intelligent scholar of history in the world and play an unmodded Total War game. History is the context and atmosphere - the enjoyment you derive from it is what matters. For the record I am a history undergraduate and I loved the original games, I don't play games to educate myself, I play for a few hours of enjoyment on a Sunday night.

SHARPE OUT.

[Eofor]

For the record I am a history undergraduate and I loved the original games, I don't play games to educate myself, I play for a few hours of enjoyment on a Sunday night.

Pfft, Sharpe, haven't you heard? People no longer play video games because they want to enjoy themselves and have fun, they play video games because they're educational devices which make you more intelligent just by playing them. Get with the times man.

[Garbarsardar]

Pfft, Sharpe, haven't you heard? People no longer play video games because they want to enjoy themselves and have fun, they play video games because they're educational devices which make you more intelligent just by playing them. Get with the times man.

There is a wide a variability in the ways people "enjoy themselves", ranging from shooting cats tied on trees, to reading a book, to reading a book while shooting cats tied on trees. That notwithstanding, we can all agree that most video-games, entail a degree of immersion to the game's universe and that this degree, is dependant on variables such as realism or say absence of CTDs.

In that sense-and given the sheer number of members and visitors that are browsing the moding sections of TWC, it is safe to assume, that post-release, most members veer inexorably towards a modified game.

Now, that is in no way an indictment for CA, it is rather a compliment to the potential of the game engine and the work of everyone at CA for providing help to modders. And in this respect the situation has improved dramatically since RTW.

So, whatever the content of TW:R2, I'm sure there will be something for everyone. Flaming pigs and Arcani ninja for Prom (which BTW is easy to NOT RECRUIT if those bother you) and the opportunity to mod in a great deal more than we could do with RTW or M2TW.

All is well, then.

[Colonel Mallard]

How about: I think that what CA is making is going to be absolutely incredible without modding, I don't care even slightly about bruning pigs (which we have yet to even see anyway), I am not upset at all that CA isn't making different units for Athenian Long Nose Hoplites versus Athenian Medium Length Nose with Boils Hoplites, I don't even slightly care if the game is difficult (or even impossible) to mod, and everytime I see somebody wailing about whether or not the game can be modded I smirk a little...

[King Philip II]

I would like to reply to all of you, but I'm not going to make this one of those threads. I shared my opinion, please share your opinion with other fans who are very interested in this. I stopped throwing money at CA after Napoleon (which I actually liked ... for 4 hours). This is not about modding at all, it's about a very deep connection to a game that I love.

I'll reply to specifics on the morrow

[Queen Annes Revenge]

I would like to reply to all of you, but I'm not going to make this one of those threads.

You made this one of those threads when you started it. What response did you expect?

If you already know that you're going to be disappointed in this game then don't buy it, leave its discussion board alone, and stick to playing your precious RTW/M2TW mods.

[cenkiss]

If you expect the new Rome Total War II (RTW2, TWR2, R2TW or whatever the lame CA marketing department decided to call it this time) to be anything like the old RTW you'll be sorely dissapointed.

RTW opened the floodgates of modding TW and created interest in new mods. The Rome Total Realism and Europa Barbaroum mods was right in their face. We yelled as loud as we could: "We do not want burning pigs! .... We do not want our children dummer than they already are ... we want historically correct contents"

The Barbarian Invasion expansion was a joke - good ideas, horrible implementation with too many lame bugs. The Invasio Barbaroum team made that expansion playable IMO - they should receive royalties.

First release of M2TW ...utter disaster ... first patch ... do they listen to us ... and finally, Kingdoms second patch - now we have something to work with (mindblowingly bugged still, but a lot of modders made it playable in no time).

Truely amazing Mods such as Third Age Total War is now available for M2TW. Europa Barbaroum II is picking up speed and it's only a matter of time before RS and RTR announces their M2TW conversion projects.

Imagine the amount of back sales CA is getting from this. It's a lot.

I'm not even mentioning Empire Total War - it does not deserve a mention.

Do not get your hopes up - just saying

Edit: I forgot to mention "De Bello Mundi" - it's looking really sweet. Congrats to our Italian friends for realising an awesome mod. I'll add links later.

You are always just the minority.

[King Philip II]

You are always just the minority.

Really? And what the frack would you know about this. Honestly - I'm all ears.

[Dreagon]

If you expect the new Rome Total War II (RTW2, TWR2, R2TW or whatever the lame CA marketing department decided to call it this time) to be anything like the old RTW you'll be sorely dissapointed.

I don't expect it to be anything like the first game. I expect it to be far better and I seriously doubt I will be disappointed.

[MonkeyD]

I don't expect it to be anything like the first game. I expect it to be far better and I seriously doubt I will be disappointed.

This.

[Rex Armeniae]

I don't expect it to be anything like the first game. I expect it to be far better and I seriously doubt I will be disappointed.

This.