Rome 2 pre-orders six times higher than Shogun 2

[eLus1on]

"Ok, i got this supercool idea that we should totally include into the game, we just need one more month of development"

- "Meh... what's the point, one more month of work is going to cost money and these people have already bought the game, we could invest that month doing something else that we can actually sell them and profit from it. This is a business dude, not a goddamn house of charity".

"Yeah... true... well what about a Royal Highlander Rifle Regiment dlc for the Iceni? With bagpipes and all"

- "Spot on mate, rock and roll".



It's the first time i get called "strange" for actually making sense. I don't know, i don't think I'm being particularly paranoid here.

You think McDonalds or Burger King will even think of improving the quality of their burgers if people keep buying them no matter how much they resemble fried carton discs? No, they won't. Not unless they have competence. And the sad thing... CA has no competence at all, it's not like they make FPSs or something.

If customers have such low standards (and fall for the hype so easily...) and keep buying games at full price half a year before its release without even knowing what's going to be featured in the game, companies will eventually start spendending most of the budget on advertisements and making games that look cool on trailers than actually making good games... (oh, wait... we are already there...).

(Blame Sega if you will, but i don't care, this is customer's fault).

Comparing McDonalds to a game developer company, is one of the worst comparisons I've ever heard. But hey, I decide whatever I want to do with my money. If you don't like whats being done here, don't buy it then, and theres no need to go ranting on the forums about it, you won't get any further from where you are now.

[HigoChumbo]

You, sir, are in error.

Your logic would work exactly once for a company, i.e. hype up a product, get a lot of pre-orders, and deliver a horrendous final game. Reputation and word-of-mouth are critically important, one of the reasons this game has pre-ordered so well is due to the dual effect of a great first game (Rome Total War) and since Empire TW, a track record of producing quality games.

If a company did as you are saying, their next product would be a total flop. All of us are the "market", we control our spending and we aren't going to be buying inferior products just out of hype.

How many game studios have vanished after a bad release? Do you think the release of Shogun 2 as one of the best games in the series is not a direct result of the horrendous reception that Empire received?

Learn to trust your fellow man. We collectively decide, by our purchasing decisions, what succeeds and what fails.

/End of Economics 101. Continue with ranting at will.

Obviously they are not just going to deliver an absolute piece of crap, but they might settle for an unfinished and/or mediocre product, then just release a few lackluster patches who solve near to nothing and then add those features and fixed in future -paid- expansions and even sequels.

It's not like I'm making stuff up, this has happened a lot in the past few years.




Btw, try to be a little more open minded, don't just brand every comment you don't agree with as "rant". Specially not if you twist my words to make a point (i never said they were going to deliver an horrendous product or a total flop, to quote you, i said the quality will get lower and they would spend more money on trailers and advertisement... If you are going to say again that I'm full of ****, go check that little jewel that is Star Wars: The Old Republic).

And even if they did... they have te resources to get you hyped again.


And an infinite pool of not-yet-scourged youths who will fall for it anyways (yet another reason why the gaming industry is focused around younger audiences -that and the fact that most gamers are actually young-)




Btw, if you think that modern economics are based upon mutual trust and good-will you have yet a lot (A lot) to learn, buddy.

Comparing McDonalds to a game developer company, is one of the worst comparisons I've ever heard. But hey, I decide whatever I want to do with my money. If you don't like whats being done here, don't buy it then, and theres no need to go ranting on the forums about it, you won't get any further from where you are now.

Thanks for making a completelly random and unfounded affirmation.

Please, do ellaborate on how comparing two companies that sell products (burgers and games) in a capitalist-economy based market is a bad comparation.




Btw, i am astonished on how on the XXIth. century people keep naming every single exposition of a different, harmless opinion a rant. That's democracy at its best right there.

One would expect more of a norweggian and an american. Freedom has more to it than just making a great punch line for action movies.




And yes, you are free to waste your money in whatever you want. Just understand that i don't want you to "destroy" (YES, note those big ass quotation marks) the industries that provide me in the process, leaving me with no great products to enjoy and love.






In other words, feel free to pre-order and buy as many Call of Duties as you wish, you won't find me "ranting" about it in their forums.

A person can cancel their pre-order at any time between the 3 and a half months we still have until the release of the game. If you wish to buy it when there is more info out, great! If you want to pre-order it now, go ahead! If you want to buy it after it is released, what is stopping you?
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You guys should really stop twisting my words.

I never said the system was unfair. I never blamed the company.

I said most customers make a very bad, hyped, uninformed use of the system. They are of course free to do it. And I am free to think (and communicate) that they are harming the quality of the industry.

If you think that most of those preorderers are informed, cool-headed, mature customers i fear that you are wrong.


Of course i could be wrong, but it is my honest opinion and I am entitled to it.

[SturmChurro]

"Ok, i got this supercool idea that we should totally include into the game, we just need one more month of development"

- "Meh... what's the point, one more month of work is going to cost money and these people have already bought the game, we could invest that month doing something else that we can actually sell them and profit from it. This is a business dude, not a goddamn house of charity".

"Yeah... true... well what about a Royal Highlander Rifle Regiment dlc for the Iceni? With bagpipes and all"

- "Spot on mate, rock and roll".



It's the first time i get called "strange" for actually making sense. I don't know, i don't think I'm being particularly paranoid here.

You think McDonalds or Burger King will even think of improving the quality of their burgers if people keep buying them no matter how much they resemble fried carton discs? No, they won't. Not unless they have competence. And the sad thing... CA has no competence at all, it's not like they make FPSs or something.

If customers have such low standards (and fall for the hype so easily...) and keep buying games at full price half a year before its release without even knowing what's going to be featured in the game, companies will eventually start spendending most of the budget on advertisements and making games that look cool on trailers than actually making good games... (oh, wait... we are already there...).

(Blame Sega if you will, but i don't care, this is customer's fault).

You really make no sense.

"Meh... what's the point, one more month of work is going to cost money and these people have already bought the game, we could invest that month doing something else that we can actually sell them and profit from it. This is a business dude, not a goddamn house of charity"

Why couldn't they work on this as a DLC instead of working on your other example? Hell, they could work on both!

"Yeah... true... well what about a Royal Highlander Rifle Regiment dlc for the Iceni? With bagpipes and all"

- "Spot on mate, rock and roll".

Or were your examples for the base game? Either way that is the glory of DLC, and or the new "Free-LC". They will release constant updates and new content with them.

A person can cancel their pre-order at any time between the 3 and a half months we still have until the release of the game. If you wish to buy it when there is more info out, great! If you want to pre-order it now, go ahead! If you want to buy it after it is released, what is stopping you?

I'd actually be worried if there was less hype about a game.

[Reloader-1]

Haven't read the other comments but i imagine (i hope) this has been mentioned before... This is indeed good news for CA... but it is awful news for gamers.


You guys keep spending 60 bucks in unreleased products of which you know less than half its features (hell... we haven't even seen the campaign map yet... nor an actual real time battle...) and the quality of games will keep getting lower and lower.

If you just buy games out of hype, companies will just stop putting an effort into actually releasing good (great) products.

You, sir, are in error.

Your logic would work exactly once for a company, i.e. hype up a product, get a lot of pre-orders, and deliver a horrendous final game. Reputation and word-of-mouth are critically important, one of the reasons this game has pre-ordered so well is due to the dual effect of a great first game (Rome Total War) and since Empire TW, a track record of producing quality games.

If a company did as you are saying, their next product would be a total flop. All of us are the "market", we control our spending and we aren't going to be buying inferior products just out of hype.

How many game studios have vanished after a bad release? Do you think the release of Shogun 2 as one of the best games in the series is not a direct result of the horrendous reception that Empire received?

Learn to trust your fellow man. We collectively decide, by our purchasing decisions, what succeeds and what fails.

/End of Economics 101. Continue with ranting at will.

[Eofor]

You guys keep spending 60 bucks in unreleased products of which you know less than half its features (hell... we haven't even seen the campaign map yet... nor an actual real time battle...) and the quality of games will keep getting lower and lower.

If you just buy games out of hype, companies will just stop putting an effort into actually releasing good (great) products.

Citation Needed.
Actually scratch that. That's just a stupid assumption made by the anti pre order crowd on par with saying that the disappearance of pirates has led to global warming, but without the excuse of being satire.

[eLus1on]

Awesome news!

[Sabre120]

Hopefully the sales from this will bring wider attention to the Total War series and bring it to a new audience, though not at the cost of the current audience!

[neoptolemos]

Seems that the Greek culture pack (Spartaaaaaaa) was a successful pre-order trick that blow the proportions for the pre-orders
Well played CA, well played.

[ptoss1]

Seems that the Greek culture pack (Spartaaaaaaa) was a successful pre-order trick that blow the proportions for the pre-orders
Well played CA, well played.

Imagine what will happen when they include Seleucids with the Collector's Edition...

[neoptolemos]

Imagine what will happen when they include Seleucids with the Collector's Edition...

Nah that would be the appealing edition for history buffs and game fans.
Do you think the Seleucids have that hype outside the TW or gaming community?I really doubt

[ptoss1]

Nah that would be the appealing edition for history buffs and game fans.
Do you think the Seleucids have that hype outside the TW or gaming community?I really doubt

Like the hype Iceni, Suebi, and Arverni have?
Well I guess they're there just because of the geography, so it's a bit different.
I'd love Seleucids but tbh I'm fine without them.

[Raikou]

Like the hype Iceni, Suebi, and Arverni have?
Well I guess they're there just because of the geography, so it's a bit different.
I'd love Seleucids but tbh I'm fine without them.

As long as they give us a Dacian,Thracian Illyrian,Iberian Peninsula DLC i'll be fine with whatever

[oOIYvYIOo]

Do you think the Seleucids have that hype outside the TW or gaming community?I really doubt

Sure they have.They are on the top 5 of the most playable factions with RTW and is modds.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Hopefully someone can cancel their Collector Edition pre-order until I manage to make mine. I'm afraid all the 22,000 copies are sold out.

[Miszel]

I terrified how you all are gladly swallowing everything CA throws at you. You disgust me. You will wake up when ROME III will have Rome Faction DLC, but it will be to late.

[Reloader-1]

I terrified how you all are gladly swallowing everything CA throws at you. You disgust me. You will wake up when ROME III will have Rome Faction DLC, but it will be to late.

Simple. Don't buy it. If enough people share your sentiment, a different product will be released. This isn't Soviet Russia, or Maoist China... you have total control of your spending.

As to the gentleman who deplored my appalling lack of economics knowledge, I beg forgiveness and will notify my undergraduate and graduate professors and my former employers in investments. I, unfortunately, deluded them all.

[Miszel]

Simple. Don't buy it. If enough people share your sentiment, a different product will be released. This isn't Soviet Russia, or Maoist China... you have total control of your spending.

As to the gentleman who deplored my appalling lack of economics knowledge, I beg forgiveness and will notify my undergraduate and graduate professors and my former employers in investments. I, unfortunately, deluded them all.

I will not buy it. But my heart suffers when mindless consumer masses are deteriorating quality of entertaiment more and more.
About your argument and comparing regulations to communistic regimes: if not regulations you would tank water in gas stations and eat dead radroaches sold as "cornflakes" by nestle. I believe that states should regulate also video games market to protect consumers from dishonest producers.

[Reloader-1]

And consumers would promptly not buy anymore cornflakes from Nestle and "gas" from those stations.

You see, we have technology, word of mouth, phones, text messages, e-mails, Facebook, Twitter, even forums like (what was the name....) TWCenter to spread our ire.

Why do you think some products succeed and some fail? Hint: most of the time, bad products don't sell very well.

[Dan113112]

I will not buy it. But my heart suffers when mindless consumer masses are deteriorating quality of entertaiment more and more.
About your argument and comparing regulations to communistic regimes: if not regulations you would tank water in gas stations and eat dead radroaches sold as "cornflakes" by nestle. I believe that states should regulate also video games market to protect consumers from dishonest producers.

How is DLC dishonest when they tell you about it from the start?

Stop calling us mindless just because we enjoy TW and want the newest release. By the way, have you still not learned that the main game and DLC are on separate budgets? That means they only have a certain amount of money to spend on the main game. CA has usually given us the best they can with this budget. I will be enjoying TWR2 just like I enjoyed ETW. It's your loss. Note: I don't say this to be offensive.

Like it or not DLC is here to stay in one form or another. Although I wish the form and quality would improve. Actually, CA have improved on the way they market DLC.

Also, in response to your other post, even Indie companies like Taleworlds have DLC. So does Paradox. Don't give me that "but there more honest" stuff because they aren't. They are in it for the money just like SEGA. They just don't have the marketing capability and the budget SEGA has.

If you want to rant you have to rant at someone rant at SEGA and not CA. SEGA supplies the budget and tells CA what to use it for as far as I know.

[Miszel]

ughh i forgot to answer your “indie‘“ arrgument: this is exactly why consumers should fight tthse practicies. First giants start to use some **** marketing dlcs, then everybody does that.Paradox is known for producing unpolished games that are unplayable for the first year since release, so its not good example for good dev. CD Projekt RED is.