Canon's immunity to naffatun projectiles

[Aeratus]

The Canon of the Holy Sepulchre has an interesting trait in that it's practically immune to naffatun projectiles.

Most units get shredded by naffatun projectiles. The 2HP Forlorn Hope does better, but is not immune to naffatun projectiles, even though the Forlorn Hope has stats similar to those of the Canon.

So my question is: from what does the Canon's immunity to naffatun projectiles derive. Is it a hidden property of the unit?

[PrestigeX]

Weird - so how does it work, they just don't die at all or the Naffatun continuously miss or cannot fire properly? Is this when the Sepulchre's are just standing still even?

(also, the title probably hasn't attracted posts because I thought you meant Canon artillery - others too I'll bet )

[War lord]

Isn't the CHS an artillery unit and its crew in the game engine? Have you tried separating them out and testing it again? The "battery" could be throwing their aim off.

[Dude with the Food]

No they are regular heavy infantry. I'll check this now.


Edit: It seems that Canons of the Holy Sepulchre are partially immune to naffatun and that trait seemingly remains unique to them.

In each battle, I tested a regular unit against a regular unit of nafftun letting them throw 3 times before charging. Here are the numbers of men each unit lost.

Canons - 14
Highland Nobles - 41
Dismounted Gothic Knights - 34
Constable of Jerusalem - 29
Gothic Knights - 31
Templar Sergeants - 52
Edessan Guard - 47

As you can see, they are very strong against Naffatun units and no other units sharing their natures bear the same results. Two-Handed infantry are no stronger, whether armoured or otherwise. It isn't the powerful crusaders, I thought the cavalry also have larger gaps between them but from the similarities between the Gothic tests that apparently doesn't matter. It isn't infantry introduced in the Crusades campaign although I would like to note that against the sergeants, 20 Naffatun retreated from melee to throw again before routing which may explain why those results are so high considering they have shields. And Edessan Guard are new units, unique to Antioch and have two-handed weapons yet they also have much higher casualties.

Now we need someone who can search unit data to find out why?

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

Sounds like this could be used in modding as well.

[Aeratus]

Sorry if I wasn't clear in my original post. Basically, as described in Dude's post above, the Canon of the Holy Sepulchre has a high amount of resistance to naffatun. This resistance is shown even compared to the Forlorn Hope which has identical visible stats (except unit size).

In a test I just conducted, the CHS did actualy a little better than reported above (I have the steam version, if that makes a difference). In the test, I controlled the CHS, and allowed the AI's naffatun to empty its entire ammo on me, rather than just 3 volleys. Next, I did the same with Forlorn hope.

Canon of the Holy Sepulchre (test 1): 15 died by the time naffatun ran out of ammo
Canon of the Holy Sepulchre (test 2): 16 died
Forlorn Hope (test 1): 40 died
Forlorn Hope (test 2): 43 died and unit routed

Forlorn Hope is expected to do worse because a smaller unit size means that they take more concentrated fire, but it seems as a whole that they can't take hits as well as the Canon.

The CHS's resistance cannot be explained by its 2 HP attribute because the Forlorn Hope also has 2 HP. Furthermore, the Canon doesn't have outstanding armor (relying on defense skill for its melee strength), and naffatun's damage is so high that it should burn through 2 HPs in one hit anyways.

[Miguel_80]

The Canons of the Holy Sepulcher have good defense (28 points).