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    Default Agrianian Assault Infrantry from EB to appear in Rome II Greek Culture pack, thoughts?

    Select description of Agrianian Assault Infrantry from EB:
    The Agrianians are an Illyrian tribe that has many Thracian influences. The Agrianians are famed for their acrobatics and climbing ability, and are well known as an exceedingly fierce tribe. They wear little in the way of armor, wearing only a small round bronze breastplate that doubles as a bowl and leather greaves that protect their legs from the jagged rocks. They carry daggers and axes, both modified to use as climbing tools. Their daggers are particularly long and specially shaped to make them both climbing spikes and excellent melee weapons.
    From the Greek Culture Pack:
    Agrianian Axemen – [Unique to Epirus and Macedon]
    The Paeonian tribe of Agrianes are fierce fighters. As well as terrible killing tools, their axes are also climbing hooks for rough terrain. No sensible general would not use them in an assault.
    Now Agrianian peltasts are pretty common knowledge, having famously served with Alexander the Great in his campaign. But the axe thing s pretty unique, even more so combined with 'axes used for climbing for assault' aspect. There isn't much in the historical record to explicitly suggest this, in the words of member paullus
    Well, the Agrianikoi were a unit that required a fair bit of reconstruction... They were renowned for the skill with javelins, but their heavier weapons (the axe and pectoral) come from archaeological finds, inferences based on the actions in which some of the Agrianes participated in Alexander's campaigns, assaulting the Kilikian gates with the Hypaspistai, storming mountain fortifications in the Hindu Kush and along the Indus.
    (from http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...sault-Infantry)

    That is to say, from the historical record its not immediately inferable from any kind of cursory research that the Agrianians had axes used for climbing and were specifically used for assault roles. It seems to me fairly unlikely that CA and the EB team did parallel research to end up with this exact same unit based on very scant historical evidence. Rather, it seems like the unit was pretty much lifted from EB and put into RTW II. I am just an enthusiastic fan of EB and am not affiliated with the EB team in any way, but to me it seems like a shame if this is the case and the the countless years of research and work poured into EB (as evidenced by such an obscure unit that people actually put effort into researching) is used in RTW II without being credited. Any influence EB has on the game in my book is a victory in itself, but this just seems lazy to me. Any thoughts?

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    Default Re: Agrianian Assault Infrantry from EB to appear in Rome II Greek Culture pack, thoughts?

    Whatever evidence and history that is presented on google and wikipedia(and to an extent realism mods)is public even if it took years to be discovered and was deliberately hidden by researchers for whatever reasons.

    What would be offending is if artistic assets like skins were clearly lifted off a mod without credit. Unfortunately that happens more that "stealing" history.
    Last edited by yuezhi; May 16, 2013 at 02:05 AM.
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    Default Re: Agrianian Assault Infrantry from EB to appear in Rome II Greek Culture pack, thoughts?

    I wasn't thinking in terms of "stealing history" as much as including a shout-out or something like that in the credits to EB for some inspiration. The mod is magnificent and it would be great if CA would endorse it more than just as a fodder for unit porn and, you know, acknowledge due influence. Its a mod for the original RTW and it should be telling of the quality of the game that for the sequel CA can draw inspiration from its thriving and still live mod scene.

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