In an imaginary world(where i have control) would you like this better?

[removeduser_45762834756]

Lets for a second play along, and imagine i, Yellow, also known as Dako93 have complete control over CA/Sega and what not...... I am super-mega-multi-billonarie and i'm making Rome 2, or well... hiring CA to do it for me....as i still have some faith and respect for CA, i pretty much i would give them freedom, and let them do what they are doing at the moment... however, a few changes would be made:

- All 4 extra factions would be included into the core game, no matter what version of the game you purchase, or where you purchased it...

- Campaign would have 4 turns per year by default, each turn 1 season as it has been done in previous tittles.

- In addition to the Long full campaign(with 4 turns per year) u would have the option to select, smaller campaigns, centered each in an smaller specific time period and conflict(like Age of Empires 2 campaign does) Thus allowing new players and core players alike to enjoy and recreate Cesar’s campaign on Gaul, Hannibal campaign on Italy, etc.. this allowing those who think 600-1200 turns is extremely long, play significant smaller campaigns and enjoy the game, while still giving those core gamers the freedom to take their time if they wish, win-win situation for both casual players and core alike.... OPTIONS is the key word here

- As pre-order bonus i would offer things such as soundtracks, printed maps, posters, digital/printed comics, miniature figures, key rings, and what not? as long as it is not something ingame.... this applies to limited editions, collector editions, and all kind of editions....

- As DLC, i would go back to the old school expansions only, it would take more time to develop but it would offer more content, aka: Barbarian Invasion, Alexander, Kingdoms, and even Fall of the Samurai and Rise of the samurai were into this category....

- Minor DLCs such as blood pack, for example, would be offered for free, either by been included already in the core game at release or simply released later on with any subsequent patch or update....

- I would sell merchandise (at an adequate price) to generate extra profits, such as café-mugs, t-shirts, miniature figures, posters, simple things... you know, the usual....

- Multiplayer: by under no means there would be unit packs DLC of any kind, not at release and not later on (This was something i disliked of shogun 2, and in some degree napoleon)

- Multiplayer, by under no means, units from a time period would be mixed into the same unit roster as units from a different time period (What shogun 2 did with the units of Rise of the Samurai and vanilla Shogun 2, was terrible in terms of realism, mayor combo-breaker for me)

That’s it, we don’t have much info of Rome 2 yet, but from the little we have, i told you what i would do different and change from previous tittles....

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UPDATE:

After recent feed back from the community, its my honor to inform you, that our creative directors and development team have decided to include a fully funtional, 2 turns per year option.

UPDATE 2:

There will be closed beta, and open beta avanible on my game, contrary to CA(that has stated that no beta will be avanible with Rome 2)

[HusKatten]

All factions are included wherever you buy it, isn't it? It's only limited to to pre-order. (sorry to go OffTopic)

[removeduser_45762834756]

All factions are included wherever you buy it, isn't it? It's only limited to to pre-order. (sorry to go OffTopic)

yes all factions, included the 4 i mentioned on the first line... so all 12 we know of so far... and np you are free to ask...

[Toho]

- All 4 extra factions would be included into the core game, no matter what version of the game you purchase, or where you purchased it...

what a nice gesture but I already have the 4 factions and I did not even pay extra.

- Campaign would have 4 turns per year by default, each turn 1 season as it has been done in previous tittles.

I prefer 1tpy because it allows me to have a more bang for my buck (experience the full 300 year timeline and events)

- In addition to the Long full campaign(with 4 turns per year) u would have the option to select, smaller campaigns, centered each in an smaller specific time period and conflict(like Age of Empires 2 campaign does) Thus allowing new players and core players alike to enjoy and recreate Cesar’s campaign on Gaul, Hannibal campaign on Italy, etc.. this allowing those who think 600-1200 turns is extremely long, play significant smaller campaigns and enjoy the game, while still giving those core gamers the freedom to take their time if they wish, win-win situation for both casual players and core alike.... OPTIONS is the key word here

read above

- As pre-order bonus i would offer things such as soundtracks, printed maps, posters, digital/printed comics, miniature figures, key rings, and what not? as long as it is not something ingame.... this applies to limited editions, collector editions, and all kind of editions....

would have been nice to be included but will become available on youtube later so no worries.

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As DLC, i would go back to the old school expansions only, it would take more time to develop but it would offer more content, aka: Barbarian Invasion, Alexander, Kingdoms, and even Fall of the Samurai and Rise of the samurai were into this category....

hopefully it would be good but isn't the current CA doing it too?

- Minor DLCs such as blood pack, for example, would be offered for free, either by been included already in the core game at release or simply released later on with any subsequent patch or update....

how nice of you.

- I would sell merchandise (at an adequate price) to generate extra profits, such as café-mugs, t-shirts, miniature figures, posters, simple things... you know, the usual....

how will you price your items and what are your costs and expected profit margins?

- Multiplayer: by under no means there would be unit packs DLC of any kind, not at release and not later on (This was something i disliked of shogun 2, and in some degree napoleon)

sounds good to me

- Multiplayer, by under no means, units from a time period would be mixed into the same unit roster as units from a different time period (What shogun 2 did with the units of Rise of the Samurai and vanilla Shogun 2, was terrible in terms of realism, mayor combo-breaker for me)

since we have the same time period in this game I doubt it would be an issue.

That’s it, we don’t have much info of Rome 2 yet, but from the little we have, i told you what i would do different and change from previous tittles....

can you tell us what are your expected profits or losses in the next 3 years after doing this?

[removeduser_45762834756]

what a nice gesture but I already have the 4 factions and I did not even pay extra.

you had to pre-order to have all 4, this would not be a requisite in my world, as i already posted, u would get them, no matter what version of the game you purchase it, or from where...

I prefer 1tpy because it allows me to have a more bang for my buck (experience the full 300 year timeline and events)

You could mod it....

would have been nice to be included but will become available on youtube later so no worries.

I did not knew key-rings, miniature figures, maps, posters and such could be obtainable via youtube...

hopefully it would be good but isn't the current CA doing it too?

As i have mentioned several times, yes, but sadly other DLC is being released too, such as unit pakcs, blood pack, and such.... if u cared to read the DLC points you would see that DLC packs on my imaginary world would not be released and that things such as blood pack would be free...

how will you price your items and what are your costs and expected profit margins?

profit after sale: 10-20 % max, so if a key-ring(for example) cost 10 bucks to make, i would sell it for $11.00 - $12.00... shipping cost would not be included...

can you tell us what are your expected profits or losses in the next 3 years after doing this?

considering the name of the series, spected sales, 2.5 - 3 million copies sold( 60-80% of them physical copies, the rest digital) in a period of 3 years = +/- $150 millions - how much the game costed to make = maybe a revenue of at least 50%, if the game costed for example 60-70 millions..... (an expensive one i know)

Yes, but if I was making the game no. You have to remember they are a business.

But i am making money, there is an estimate revenue of 50% + i have a merchandise store... making millions aint business?

DLC is the new norm, and 4 turns per year is too long for most people.

As is says, there are optional smaller campaigns, and u could start in what ever period you wish, why would 4 turns be then much? Never the less, the game could be moddable....

[Toho]

you had to pre-order to have all 4, this would not be a requisite in my world, as i already posted, u would get them, no matter what version of the game you purchase it, or from where...

I always like to be first.

You could mod it....

too lazy, it must be provided by you or I wont by your game.
instead I would make numerous forum post rants about this.

I did not knew key-rings, miniature figures, maps, posters and such could be obtainable via youtube...

in this imaginary world all things can be digital.

As i have mentioned several times, yes, but sadly other DLC is being released too, such as unit pakcs, blood pack, and such.... if u cared to read the DLC points you would see that DLC packs on my imaginary world would not be released and that things such as blood pack would be free...

thats great but what would be the initial selling price?
I am not paying more at first just to have optional content to be free.

profit after sale: 10-20 % max, so if a key-ring(for example) cost 10 bucks to make, i would sell it for $10.00 - $12.00... shipping cost would not be included...

you would sell a key ring for 10$ my god! will the game itself be over 100$ with that pricing?

considering the name of the series, spected sales, 2.5 - 3 million copies sold in a period of 3 years = +/- $150 millions - how much the game costed to make = maybe a revenue of at least 50%, if the game costed for example 60-70 millions..... (an expensive one i know)

in this imaginary world where would the majority of your customers be from?

But i am making money, there is an estimate revenue of 50% + i have a merchandise store... making millions aint business?

what do you mean a revenue of 50%? that makes no sense.

As is says, there are optional smaller campaigns, and u could start in what ever period you wish, why would 4 turns be then much? Never the less, the game could be moddable...

will you be making the warscape engine a freeware then?

[removeduser_45762834756]

too lazy, it must be provided by you or I wont by your game.
instead I would make numerous forum post rants about this.

Hello dear Toho.

We are aware of your concern, and we wish to inform you, that in addition to a large default campaign, campaigns will enjoy the key feature of been started at any given time period desired, this allowing you to successfully jump over what some will call "grid" or "tiresome multiple turns"; furthermore there are also mini campaigns avanible for the younger ones, that wish more action and less micro management ... We hope with this information provided all your worries be at ease, if you have any further questions, feel free to contact us once again in the future. We spect to see you leading a heroic charge on the battlefield at day 1.

Circerly yours,
Our development team.

in this imaginary world all things can be digital.

yea

thats great but what would be the initial selling price?
I am not paying more at first just to have optional content to be free.

initial selling price $50...

you would sell a key ring for 10$ my god! will the game itself be over 100$ with that pricing?

its an imaginary world, maybe the key rings are made out of gold...

in this imaginary world where would the majority of your customers be from?

mostly males, range age 17-40... mostly from north america and europe...

what do you mean a revenue of 50%? that makes no sense.

if the game costed 50 millions to make, and we get 100 millions on sales, there is a revenue of 50%

[Toho]

Damn laggy thread.

[Sun Jetzu]

- Minor DLCs such as blood pack, for example, would be offered for free, either by been included already in the core game at release or simply released later on with any subsequent patch or update....

you had me at Free Blood Pack

[torongill]

I'd have no problem with most of the suggestions, except for 4 turns per year, unless you pay me to play. At most I'd allow 2 turns, both of them summer.

Of course in an imaginary world I suppose I'd be too busy with my beautiful Swedish blonde twins whenever I'm not directing multimillion historical movies, flying my personal Space Shuttle or making it rain in Las Vegas, so maybe I wouldn't really give a flying **** whether the blood pack is free or not.

[removeduser_45762834756]

I'd have no problem with most of the suggestions, except for 4 turns per year, unless you pay me to play. At most I'd allow 2 turns, both of them summer.

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read my previous comment...

[1cmanny1]

Yes, but if I was making the game no. You have to remember they are a business.
DLC is the new norm, and 4 turns per year is too long for most people.

I am tired of seeing people talk about these things. What they are doing isn't that bad, people should focus more on the gameplay we have seen, instead of the business model.

[Greve Af Göteborg]

That's cute, but still imaginary.

[ptoss1]

In a perfect world, the campaign would play like Paradox Interactive game with TW battles.

[removeduser_45762834756]

In a perfect world, the campaign would play like Paradox Interactive game with TW battles.

never said my world was perfect, my world is my world, yours can be diferent... thats not the question here .

[ptoss1]

never said my world was perfect, my world is my world, yours can be diferent... thats not the question here .

I like everything except the 4 turns per year part.
Imho, I don't see much point to having 4 turns per year except to make the game more lengthy.
The winter attrition made no sense at all and didn't impact the game very much.
I liked seeing the map change but that's about it.
I'd have to see how 1y1t worked first before judging.

[King Yngvar]

Yes, although every faction should be playable. And a starting year slider.

[removeduser_45762834756]

Yes, although every faction should be playable. And a starting year slider.

sorry we can't have 170 playable factions at day 1, althought some will be released later on on full expansion packs....

not 100% sure sure what you meant by "year slider" but if you read my last answer to Toho, you get some more info there...

Sounds good. But what about additional factions for the core game, seeing as you say you'd only go with full-scale expansions? I honestly don't mind paying for more factions, so long as they are developed post-release, are reasonably priced, and I'm interested in playing them to begin with.

Sorry but there wont be 1 faction DLC am afreid, u would have more factions playable at day one never the less, as there are minor campaigns focused on specific time periods and conflicts....

other than those in the mini campaigns, and the 12 factions on the grand campaign that have been anounced so far, any extra playable faction would only be included on future expansions....

A) agreed, although I wouldn't mind unit packs with like Caesar or something
B ) are we still friends on steam!? You better not have deleted me

@Undi, there will be mini campaigns specifically focusing on that sort of things as i already mentioned, Cesar in Gaul, Hannibal in Italy, Squipio in Africa, and many mores...
But no unit packs will be released as DLC, not for SP or MP, this however does not means that new units and factions wont ever be included in the game, there will be a couple of expansions that will add this sort of things and much more....

Regarding B, you know i have a "new" steam account right? http://steamcommunity.com/id/YellowTheAwesome/

I like the choices you put in all your polls. I really do.

While i was the first to opently recognise that, the other poll u are talking about, is a bit biased as you people keep calling it(even thought the 2 positive options are not as positive neither the 2 negative option are as negative)... even thought, that one i will give you..

But this aswel? cut the chase pal, There is a LEGIT NO, a LEGIT YES, and there is an EXTRA NO( as there are people in this forums who trully hate me, and no matter what i say they will always complain and critisise what i type)

I gave several points + have been answering all questions that had been asqued, with that in mind, it can not be so hard to either decide, if from what you seen you would like this fantasy world better or not, there is no need for a middle option here, either the positive things that you have readed balance over the negative, or the negative, combo-breaker in your eyes are strong enought as for inclining you to not like my world....

not everything om this world is black, grey and white... black and white is all there is sometimes.....

[Dan113112]

Yes, although every faction should be playable. And a starting year slider.

In an imaginary world that would be nice. CA has already explained why they can't do sliders.

[Rebel_Caesar]

North America should be included in the game. North America played a pivotal roll in the shaping of the modern world as we know it.