Why hellenistic and eastern units look bad, but barbarian units look good?

[Antiochus]

I think that Hellenistic (Macedon, Epirus, Atens, Sparta, Pontus, Egypt), Carthaginian and Parthian units look not good, but barbarian units (Iceni, Suebi, especially Arverni) looks very good.


Faces:
1. Barbarians - very various - hair (brunette, satin, blonde), mustache, beards (long, short), various hair style (especially Germans)
2. Hellenistic/Eastern - poor variety - 1-3 faces (Parthia 2 faces), without hair style, without facial hair. CA said that is pre-alpha, so I hope they will chnge it.

Clothes:
1. Barbarians - colored plaid pants and cloaks, very variety per one unit
2. Hellenistic/Eastern - the same, torn one tunic

Shields:
1. Barbarians - excellent - various symbols and colors, especially Arverni which look like in mod (similar to Europa Barbarorum, Roma Surrectum 2)
2. Hellenistic/Eastern - no variety (especially Sparta), 1-2 colors, too much ugly 'black blood' and dirty (in real history shields weren't 100% clean but soldiers ALWAYS cleaned it before battle), too much destroyed shields (not suitable to battle). It looks like from 21th century museum (destructed and rusty), not from 3rd century BC.

Helmets:
1. Barbarians - nice helmets, based on reenactment, so these look like from 3rd century BC,2
2. Hellenistic/Eastern - many historical mistakes, reproduced as archeological from 20-21th century AD, so doesn't look like in 3rd century BC. It should looks like from that period, no looking today from museum.


Example:

Spartan hoplite are in official picture of DLC It is official picture of DLC, so this units won't be change I think.

Their shields are too demaged, destroyed and rusty. Ancient warrior won't take these shields to battle. Warriors polished their shields very often. Rusty and too demaged shield NEVER used in battle.
Real Spartan hoplite will throw this shield to trash. Ancient shields weren't 100% cleaned but if shield was too demaged or rusty - armores made the new one. It is historical fact.

Please read more historical book or ask real historical reenactor if you don't believe me.

[MonTeZuma]

Try not to worry nothing is finished yet!

I think both look good but your right in the fact the barbarians look particularly tasty.

[ptoss1]

Spartans have the best armor and helmets. What are you talking about?
Romans look really lame though tbh, but that's more of a historical thing, and less a game representation.

[Stavroforos]

CA has well-known and well-established pro-barbarian biases, especially with the barbarians of Britain.

[Lord Tomyris]

CA has well-known and well-established pro-barbarian biases

Did you play the original Rome?

[Virtanen]

Because the faces aren't even close to finished in any of the screenshots released so far, as CA have said multiple times.

[Antiochus]

Spartans have the best armors or shields? Do you seen Spartan hoplite on official picture of DLC? It is official picture of DLC, sthis units won't be change I think.

Their shields are too demaged, destroyed and rusty. Ancient warrior won't take these shields to battle. Warriors polished their shields very often. Rusty and too demaged shield NEVER used in battle.
Real Spartan hoplite will throw this shield to trash. Ancient shields weren't 100% clean and polished but if shield was too demaged or rusty - armores made the new one. It is historical fact.

Please read more historical book or ask real historical reenactor if you don't believe me.

I hope CA will change it.

[ptoss1]

Spartans have the best armors or shields? Do you seen Spartan hoplite on official picture of DLC? It is official picture of DLC, sthis units won't be change I think.

Their shields are too demaged, destroyed and rusty. Ancient warrior won't take these shields to battle. Warriors polished their shields very often. Rusty and too demaged shield NEVER used in battle.
Real Spartan hoplite will throw this shield to trash. If shield was too demaged or rusty - armores made the new one. It is historical fact.

Please read more historical book or ask real historical reenactor if you don't believe me.

I hope CA will change it.

I know, but I was commenting on how they looked, not what's historically accurate.
Apparently their helmets aren't accurate either, but they look like pimps so who cares.
Romans look bad though. CA needs to get on that.

[Argon Viper]

Unless something has changed, it's still pre-alpha. They're trying to build excitement about the graphics and gameplay engine (which are mostly finished), but they haven't finished all of the historical stuff. That's why we get scripted gameplay videos instead of demonstrations of actual gameplay

[Roger Explosion]

You seem genuinely worried about the texture of one object in a video game that hasn't been released yet.

You should probably go outside for a little while.

[Virtanen]

You seem genuinely worried about the texture of one object in a video game that hasn't been released yet.

You should probably go outside for a little while.

Also this.

[Ariamanesh]

I think that Hellenistic (Macedon, Epirus, Atens, Sparta, Pontus, Egypt), Carthaginian and Parthian units look not good, but barbarian units (Iceni, Suebi, especially Arverni) looks very good. Faces: 1. Barbarians - very various - hair (brunette, satin, blonde), mustache, beards (long, short), various hair style (especially Germans) 2. Hellenistic/Eastern - poor variety - 1-3 faces (Parthia 2 faces), without hair style, without facial hair. CA said that is pre-alpha, so I hope they will chnge it. Clothes: 1. Barbarians - colored plaid pants and cloaks, very variety per one unit 2. Hellenistic/Eastern - the same, torn one tunic Shields: 1. Barbarians - excellent - various symbols and colors, especially Arverni which look like in mod (similar to Europa Barbarorum, Roma Surrectum 2) 2. Hellenistic/Eastern - no variety (especially Sparta), 1-2 colors, too much ugly 'black blood' and dirty (in real history shields weren't 100% clean but soldiers ALWAYS cleaned it before battle), too much destroyed shields (not suitable to battle). It looks like from 21th century museum (destructed and rusty), not from 3rd century BC. Helmets: 1. Barbarians - nice helmets, based on reenactment, so these look like from 3rd century BC,2 2. Hellenistic/Eastern - many historical mistakes, reproduced as archeological from 20-21th century AD, so doesn't look like in 3rd century BC. It should looks like from that period, no looking today from museum. Example:

Agreed,Specially about Spartan shields and macedonian hipaspaitai shields.They were just horrible.And their arms as well.I wondered why suebi,s swords was so shiny and then spartan,cartaginian,eastern and even roman swords seemed so rusty.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Agreed,Specially about Spartan shields and macedonian hipaspaitai shields.They were just horrible.And their arms as well.I wondered why suebi,s swords was so shiny and then spartan,cartaginian,eastern and even roman swords seemed so rusty.

Because a Germanic Warrior's sword was his most precious possession, most likely it was his only possession...

[Ariamanesh]

Because a Germanic Warrior's sword was his most precious possession, most likely it was his only possession...

Understood!But how about another factions!

I woul dadd to your list also romans , they lack some details like scabbards etc ... similar faces , tiny bodies , plain wod for back shields , lack of the officer variations , and pretty much low on details ... Sure nothing is wrong in them in general , they behave unsincd , unrealistically uncohesive and just like a generic mob , for not talking of the broken testudo formation ... but definetly they have a " less coolness" feel in general ...

Man,i think you are the next after me and antiochus who will be struck by guys.

[Antiochus]

I don't have a problem with helmet - OK, it is one special unit, so they could get one iconic helmet. It is not historically, but I don't have a problem.

But I have a problem with too demaged and rusty shields. These are not realistic, because these shields (look like in screens) never used by warriors. Too demaged, rusty shields aren't good defense in battles. Soldiers polished shields and weapons, and armorers repair them after battles. If these shields were too demaged they thrwn it to trash.

[athanaric]

I think the OP has a point this time, for once. Then again I believe they'll improve the look of those units before release, anyway.

[dom385]

The games not pre alpha anymore, its in beta now (I think). But jack did say that when most of the screen shots were taken it was still early on in development, so some factions were will lacking variation and a bit of polishing. Maybe they started on the barbarian factions first and just hadn't got round to finishing off the others by the time the faction previews etc were released.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

For the faces and beards. Jack allready made the statement that they are just placeholder or not ready. There will be more details and variants.

[Jack Lusted]

I think that Hellenistic (Macedon, Epirus, Atens, Sparta, Pontus, Egypt), Carthaginian and Parthian units look not good, but barbarian units (Iceni, Suebi, especially Arverni) looks very good.


Faces:
1. Barbarians - very various - hair (brunette, satin, blonde), mustache, beards (long, short), various hair style (especially Germans)
2. Hellenistic/Eastern - poor variety - 1-3 faces (Parthia 2 faces), without hair style, without facial hair. CA said that is pre-alpha, so I hope they will chnge it.

As I said this will be changing, there will be more variety of faces for Romans, Hellenic and Eastern factions.

Clothes:
1. Barbarians - colored plaid pants and cloaks, very variety per one unit
2. Hellenistic/Eastern - the same, torn one tunic

There will be more tunics for Hellenics and more for Easterns as well.

Shields:
1. Barbarians - excellent - various symbols and colors, especially Arverni which look like in mod (similar to Europa Barbarorum, Roma Surrectum 2)
2. Hellenistic/Eastern - no variety (especially Sparta), 1-2 colors, too much ugly 'black blood' and dirty (in real history shields weren't 100% clean but soldiers ALWAYS cleaned it before battle), too much destroyed shields (not suitable to battle). It looks like from 21th century museum (destructed and rusty), not from 3rd century BC.

The lack of variety of shield patterns for Sparta is a design choice. The black texture you see on Hellenic shields is a placeholder wear/dirt texture to represent wear and tear from campaigning. It is not rust.

Helmets:
1. Barbarians - nice helmets, based on reenactment, so these look like from 3rd century BC,2
2. Hellenistic/Eastern - many historical mistakes, reproduced as archeological from 20-21th century AD, so doesn't look like in 3rd century BC. It should looks like from that period, no looking today from museum.

All hlemets are based on historical sources, I am not sure which ones you have a problem with.

[SughdianWarrior]

As I said this will be changing, there will be more variety of faces for Romans, Hellenic and Eastern factions.



There will be more tunics for Hellenics and more for Easterns as well.



The lack of variety of shield patterns for Sparta is a design choice. The black texture you see on Hellenic shields is a placeholder wear/dirt texture to represent wear and tear from campaigning. It is not rust.



All hlemets are based on historical sources, I am not sure which ones you have a problem with.

You can talk all you want mate, but you know full well that they won't shut up until they see what you're talking about with their own eyes.