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    Critical assessment of the Bible on literary grounds (by David Sutherland - copied from Amazon here

    "This book is about a character called God, who creates a race of beings, and proceeds to place a curse on them for rather bewildering reasons. The main character proceeds to hold his grudge for many thousands of years, and eventually ends up destroying his creation, rather akin to 'Frankenstein' in its execution.

    Unfortunately, for the first half of the story, the plotline feels very drawn-out and belaboured. Taking place over many generations (similar to Tolkein's 'The Silmarilions', but not quite as action-packed), we are invariably left with little more than a family tree of one-dimensional characters who are never fully fleshed out and serve as little more than stereotypes.

    At one point though, the main character does attempt to perform a rather gruesome self-sacrifice by masquerading as one of his own creations, this time called Jesus, the character a blatant rip-off of Neo from 'The Matrix'. Instead, though, we are treated to the main character forcing himself to undergo very sado-masochistic treatment, rather similar to the movie 'Salo', leaving us only to question the author's intentions of including so many unnecessary penny-dreadful horror moments.

    Instead of making full use of the 'God' character's decision to interact directly with his creations as a human being, we are treated to a very self-serving bout of morality and ego-stroking. Although the story's subtext indicates that this 'Jesus/God' character's suffering has some purpose in redeeming humanity from God's curse, it ultimately does not answer the lingering question of why a supposedly omnipotent being is unable to lift it's own damnation on humanity. Instead, we are left only with questionable masochistic scenes and highly suspicious 'relationships' with Jesus' male disciples.

    Despite the large number of chapters dealing with the 'Jesus' character, the book then continues to show the main character of God going on to destroy all that he has created. As an exploration of the main character's manic-depressive bipolar disorder, it's excessive at times and ultimately fails to impress. There are simply too many inconsistencies between the God character as himself, and the God character as 'Jesus', which make it very difficult to follow the main character's line of thought at times, leaving the reader struggling to follow the book's shifting narrative structure.

    The original concept also bears an uncanny resemblance to the sun-god Mithras, a story circulated by Romans to ensure obedience from their slaves, so perhaps the author could have put a little more imagination into his writing. Poor editing in this copy of the book left some of the more interesting characters (such as Lilith) without a full mention. Could also have been improved if it had included vampires at some point, too.

    Ultimately, this is a fairly poorly-written story. It gets one star because it does give an interesting (albeit very unbelievable) world-creation story, in the same vein of most fantasy books (this particular one bearing deep similarity to the 'Belgariad' series by David Eddings). Aside from that, the story stretches on far too long, provides far too many one-dimensional background characters, and shifts narrative far too many times to be an enjoyable read."


    Has anyone here actually READ the Bible from cover-to-cover? Was it a page-turner and what literary influences did you see in it? Certainly, modern story-telling is far superior and uses more advanced techniques. Perhaps the clumsiness of the book can be explained by its age.
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    Oh god...heh.

    It's true, nobody reads the bible for pleasure.

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    i think the bible is some sort of brainwashing device, the minister says a quote and talks about it, no-one will read it (without falling asleep), so they dont try hence, the vicar has absoulout control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carl-the-conqueror
    i think the bible is some sort of brainwashing device, the minister says a quote and talks about it, no-one will read it (without falling asleep), so they dont try hence, the vicar has absoulout control.
    Thanks for that intelligent post. When I go to church I read the Bible along with the pastor. Catholics don't read the Bible. I've never read the Bible thoroughly. I've read the "main" chapters. I usually read parts of the Bible for guidance in certain times of my life. The Bible wasn't meant to be read like a novel, its not. The Bible isn't The DaVinci Code, its not a page turner.

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    Maybe if Mark had of added in a few more plot twists along the way, a fiesty heroine and a trusty sidekick, or maybe Jesus opening up Chuck Norris style on the centurions. "This is my fist, take it and eat it bi-atch!". A guaranteed New York Time's best seller.

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    I tend to think that the Bible is more one for religiously inclinded people to dip into when they need a particular aspect of their life justifying. They need the Bible to make them feel good about something. More specifically though, they find a bit that they deem can apply to them, cherry picking it to back them up. Thus there are contridictions in it throughout. But hey! I'm just a cynical non-believer.

    On a language analysis point of view, I tend to believe that its actually rather poorly written. Fairly simple sentences; bar the long, sprawling lines of Simple Clauses connected via conjunctives; particuarly with the use of "and". I believe its the most used word in the Bible. That said, the original Latin/Greek versions may have been more complex- remember the versions most read today are "dumbed down"- put them in context: They were written so the common person could read them, rather than a trained Priest.

    On a litterary stance, the characters are a little one dimensional, but to be fair, just look at many ancient texts- they're always throwing down names with no substance to their existance.
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    You forgot the gratuitous sex scenes that are missing. We know David was prepared to kill for Bathsheba, and Jesus was prepared to face-down an angry mob to save a hooker, but what about the sauciness they actually got up to afterward, in exquisite detail?
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    It's true, nobody reads the bible for pleasure.
    Then call me nobody.

    Has anyone here actually READ the Bible from cover-to-cover?
    Yes. Many times.

    Was it a page-turner and what literary influences did you see in it?
    It has both intense-page-turner sections, and blah-let's-skip-a-few-chapters sections. As for literary influences, I think none.

    what about the sauciness they actually got up to afterward, in exquisite detail?
    David and Bathsheba get married, and their love-child dies. Jesus simply tells the 'hooker' (although she was actually an adulteress, not necessarily a prostitute) to go away and leave her life of sin. Wouldn't really call it 'saucy', but that would be what happened after the events you cited. (although it should also be noted that David wasn't just prepared to kill, but he did kill for her. Romantic, isn't it?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardeur
    David and Bathsheba get married, and their love-child dies. Jesus simply tells the 'hooker' (although she was actually an adulteress, not necessarily a prostitute) to go away and leave her life of sin. Wouldn't really call it 'saucy', but that would be what happened after the events you cited. (although it should also be noted that David wasn't just prepared to kill, but he did kill for her. Romantic, isn't it?)
    Can't you see? This is where those porn directors thought of their storylines!

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    Ardeur, he didn't kill for her, he had someone killed for her, a slight difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubite
    Catholics don't read the Bible.
    Protestants don't exactly have the best record in this department either, you know. My experience is that they'll learn a small selection of quotations, and then ignore the rest.

    It's obviously the case, because if they did read the Bible properly they'd be Orthodox (I'm only half joking here!).

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    Call me insensitive, but I found that review very amusing. Blatant ripoff of Mithras...lol. Remember, remember, the 25th of December

    I do hope no one was offended and the majority of posts in this thread are sarcastic
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    Forget your gratuitous sex scenes, how about reworking the entire David and Goliath encounter?

    Goliath [with normal knife]: I will get you David!
    David: You call that a knife?
    [Produces a massive machete from under his cloak]
    David: THIS is a knife!!

    Epic.

    Then we could have the whole sequel to the The New Testament... The New New Testament 2: Judgement Day.

    Imagine the Pharisees chortling together in the bath houses, passing a joint around and congradulating themselves on a job well done when Jesus bursts in (With the obligatory shades), armed with a micro UZI and 'passes judgement'. Woah. Someone ought to get writing that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insurrectionist
    l get you David!
    David: You call that a knife?
    [Produces a massive machete from under his cloak]
    David: THIS is a knife!!
    Now that would make me read the Bible. Maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith Darksea
    Protestants don't exactly have the best record in this department either, you know. My experience is that they'll learn a small selection of quotations, and then ignore the rest.

    It's obviously the case, because if they did read the Bible properly they'd be Orthodox (I'm only half joking here!).
    Where do you get this? Is this common knowlege protestants are lazier? That's a generalization. All christians should read the bible regularly - it is the message of God. Doesn't matter what denomination you are.

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    Holy %$~^, someone ripped off my ideas for the bible sequel!! They're making it into a move. Have a look.
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    I think any scriptures, base on my experience with the Qur'an must be read cover to cover, and not just between selected lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge
    Critical assessment of the Bible on literary grounds (by David Sutherland - copied from Amazon here

    "This book is about a character called God, who creates a race of beings, and proceeds to place a curse on them for rather bewildering reasons. The main character proceeds to hold his grudge for many thousands of years, and eventually ends up destroying his creation, rather akin to 'Frankenstein' in its execution.

    Unfortunately, for the first half of the story, the plotline feels very drawn-out and belaboured. Taking place over many generations (similar to Tolkein's 'The Silmarilions', but not quite as action-packed), we are invariably left with little more than a family tree of one-dimensional characters who are never fully fleshed out and serve as little more than stereotypes.

    At one point though, the main character does attempt to perform a rather gruesome self-sacrifice by masquerading as one of his own creations, this time called Jesus, the character a blatant rip-off of Neo from 'The Matrix'. Instead, though, we are treated to the main character forcing himself to undergo very sado-masochistic treatment, rather similar to the movie 'Salo', leaving us only to question the author's intentions of including so many unnecessary penny-dreadful horror moments.

    Instead of making full use of the 'God' character's decision to interact directly with his creations as a human being, we are treated to a very self-serving bout of morality and ego-stroking. Although the story's subtext indicates that this 'Jesus/God' character's suffering has some purpose in redeeming humanity from God's curse, it ultimately does not answer the lingering question of why a supposedly omnipotent being is unable to lift it's own damnation on humanity. Instead, we are left only with questionable masochistic scenes and highly suspicious 'relationships' with Jesus' male disciples.

    Despite the large number of chapters dealing with the 'Jesus' character, the book then continues to show the main character of God going on to destroy all that he has created. As an exploration of the main character's manic-depressive bipolar disorder, it's excessive at times and ultimately fails to impress. There are simply too many inconsistencies between the God character as himself, and the God character as 'Jesus', which make it very difficult to follow the main character's line of thought at times, leaving the reader struggling to follow the book's shifting narrative structure.

    The original concept also bears an uncanny resemblance to the sun-god Mithras, a story circulated by Romans to ensure obedience from their slaves, so perhaps the author could have put a little more imagination into his writing. Poor editing in this copy of the book left some of the more interesting characters (such as Lilith) without a full mention. Could also have been improved if it had included vampires at some point, too.

    Ultimately, this is a fairly poorly-written story. It gets one star because it does give an interesting (albeit very unbelievable) world-creation story, in the same vein of most fantasy books (this particular one bearing deep similarity to the 'Belgariad' series by David Eddings). Aside from that, the story stretches on far too long, provides far too many one-dimensional background characters, and shifts narrative far too many times to be an enjoyable read."


    Has anyone here actually READ the Bible from cover-to-cover? Was it a page-turner and what literary influences did you see in it? Certainly, modern story-telling is far superior and uses more advanced techniques. Perhaps the clumsiness of the book can be explained by its age.

    Nice review! Also hilarious Makes me NOT wanna pick this book up next time im in Borders.
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