Furinkazan

[fd7s]

HALLLOO

can someone please post a picture of Furinkazan aswell as the kanji for it and translation pretty please

[RubiconDecision]

HALLLOO

can someone please post a picture of Furinkazan aswell as the kanji for it and translation pretty please

Verification here: #6 Mon Takeda Shingen (1521-1573 AD)

http://www.samurai-archives.com/mon3.html
"Fūrinkazan (風林火山^?), literally "Wind, Forest, Fire, Mountain", was the battle standard used by the Sengoku period daimyo Takeda Shingen, quoting chapter 7 of Sun Tzu's The Art of War: "as swift as wind, as orderly as forest, as fierce as fire, as unshakeable as mountain."

Sun Tzu Chapter 7:
"15. In war, practice dissimulation, and you will succeed.
16. Whether to concentrate or to divide your troops, must be decided by circumstances.
17. Let your rapidity be that of the wind, your compactness that of the forest.
18. In raiding and plundering be like fire, is immovability like a mountain.
19. Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt."
http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C5%ABrinkazan

[fd7s]

thanks also is there an actual banner left from Shingens time?

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thanks also is there an actual banner left from Shingens time?

I doubt it. I would think that his original banner would have collapsed into dust. It's possible. I'll check. If so it would be in a museum.

The Japanese have a funny practice of saying, "Do itashimashite." Like the Spanish phrase, "Da nada" it means, "Think nothing of it." In Japan, when someone gives a present, you open it after they leave. Sometimes if you exchange gifts both will do this too. If you opened a gift while they were standing around, the present might be more than your own, or more than you could ever afford, and so bring shame or guilt for not equaling their gift. So literally they are saying something like "attach no importance for this gift" so you will not feel obliged to give something equally great in return. Or if it is small then it will not make them feel guilty. See how complicated things are there?

I once read a book where a Japanese person did something very magnanimous to a Westerner and he didn't realize it's importance, and then another Japanese friend of the receiver of this gift replied, "What in the world did you do wrong? He is shaming you by giving you something precious."

I'll check on Takeda Shingen's banner for you....and think nothing of it (do itashimashite)!

You would probably like this film Samurai Banners with Mifune Toshiro
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064353/
Can't find a youtube clip. The Japanese name for the film is "Fûrin kazan" of course.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1u...-fr_shortfilms

EDIT: Apparently there is a surviving banner at the Tsutsujigasaki Palace museum.
http://www.jcastle.info/castle/profi...igasaki-Palace

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thanks for the help and the nice piece of information

[fd7s]

oh and which script is it written in?

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oh and which script is it written in?

Kanji. Realize that the meaning of Sun Tzu's writing was important and so what is not on the flag but just before and after is as important as the words on the banner. Both before and after is about subterfuge and making the enemy seem disoriented (bad pun) about the intention of the enemy and then to fall upon them in a swift strike like lightning.