Reasons that UNITS CARDS should be change. CA won't change it, we need a mod (modding proposal)

[Antiochus]

Edit 27 June 2013. Great reason:

Excellent evidence - please look at pictures in SPOILERS. You will know why CA's units cards are bad and completely not historical. It is very good reason.

Q: Are you going to change the unit cards?

No, we have no plans to change the unit cards. When you’re hands-on in battle, we find the new card design to be particularly useful for identifying which unit is which in the heat of battle. You should reserve judgement on their effectiveness until you’d had an opportunity to use them. Needless to say, in the thousands of hours of testing so far they have proven their worth.

We like them a lot as their style is in period for our game and the Romans were rather fond of mimicking the art of other cultures, including Greece.

This is not true.
Art in period for Rome 2 was a lot more advanced. Your units cards are inspired by the archaic Greek art (black-figure pottery). It was especially common between the 7th and 5th centuries BC.
Red-figure vase painting developed in Athens around 520 BC and remained in use until the late 3rd century BC. It replaced the previously dominant style of Black-figure vase painting within a few decades.
At the same time in Italy was painting in color.
During the game Greek painting was extremely realistic (color images, the prospect of a three-dimensional, realistic body proportions).
Roman paintingwas very realistic. It was a legacy of the Hellenistic era. Very well known three-dimensional perspective. Human figures were made ​​with great precision. The ancient Romans were able to paint people in realistic proportions and colors.


Black-figure pottery:

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Red-figure pottery:

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Etruscan paintings:

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Samnites:

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Greek painting during Rome 2:

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Roman painting:

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I have few reasons why Units Cards are completely wrong and bad. We need a mod.

I know - memebers said: 'it is pre-alpha!'. CA said it, too. I know. But later CA said that won't change units cards...

This thread will be help to modding - what should be change in these units cards.


REASONS:

1. In first screen of Rome 2' Units Cards (battle of Teutoburg Forrest) is Greek ceramic style from archaic age (8th-6th BC) but 'Rome 2' is in Hellenistic times (from 3rd BC to later), so this style is completely not historically.

2. Hellenistic period (ages of Rome 2) has other Greek style of art - colorful and more realistic bodies, faces (3d structure).

3. Why Greek stlye for Romans? Name of game is ROME 2. Why Greek art for all units cards? Romans have other style, similar to Etrucans and Samnites - similar to archaic Greek ceramic but colorful... Later they had more realistic and colorful paintings (3d structure).

4. Iconic art of Romans is mosaic style. It will be great to see mosaic style in UI.

5. It is example if in game about Renaissance will be style of 18th century - white wigs on units cards with German landsknechts.

5. Units Cards from screen aren't 100% style Greek ceramic, beacuse soldiers don't have faces. It could be see closer in screen of collector edition - 'Punic Wars' cards.

6. Should be better detailed cards. There are 117 factions and more units! This Greek archaic ceramic style is not good to see variety between units. We can see legionaries, because they have scutum,but other like Gauls, Germans, Egyptioan?


So Units Cards could be (modding proposal):
- Roman style, because Rome is the most important faction in game (title: Rome);
- art from period of game (Hellenistic era, not Archaic);
- no archaic Greek art - Italian archaic was colorful;
- better detailed cards like Roman real paintings or mosaic;
- standard style like Napoleon Total War, Medieval 2, Rome 1 etc.


REAL EXAMPLES:

Real Hellenistic - Greek/Macedonian style from Rome 2 period:


Italian style of paintings- Samnites, but early Republican Romans and Etrusacns have very similar painting style:


Late Republican Romans and early Empire (period of Teutoburg Forrest):


Do you want more examples? Write in google - ancient macedonian art, macedonian tomb, etruscan art, samnite art etc. especially - ancient roman paintings.
You will see that art in period of Rome 2 was more colorful than archaic Greek art from actually units cards.

[Adamwestisgod]

I think it would be kinda cool if different cultures got their own type of art style when it comes to unit cards.

[robin2852]

I think it would be kinda cool if different cultures got their own type of art style when it comes to unit cards.

they do, we just haven't seen them yet, though it has been confirmed.

Unfortunately no complain seems to reach the high chambers of developments , after the 1tpy , I highly doubt any whining abut those UI cards will make any difference ... too bad ...

I'm glad all the whining and ******** around here doesn't affect the game in the slightest. Game development is a creative process; outside influences shouldn't change someones creativity and vision, be it to please fans or not.

[Armageddonn]

I think it would be kinda cool if different cultures got their own type of art style when it comes to unit cards.

This!!!

[babydoc]

I think it would be kinda cool if different cultures got their own type of art style when it comes to unit cards.

The cards will be stylized and the design will be different with different cultures.
The Mediterranean factions will have greco roman styled cards in black and red.

You're the one using the exclamation points. I, on the other hand, even used a smiley. One must be allowed to offer one's opinions without people trying to poison the well by portraying criticism as hysteria.

Sorry if you feel that my post was to you.
I ment it for the entire thread, its getting out of hand IMO.

[RGA]

Greek red-figured pottery


Etruscan pottery



Roman pottery



Sorry but IMHO, Romans sucked at vase-painting

[Grimbold]

This **** again? Seriously?

What...you grew tired of complaining about faction colors?

Bloody hell

[The Roman Republic]

I have few reasons why Units Cards are completely wrong and bad.

I know - memebers will say: 'it is pre-alpha!'. CA said it, too. I know.
This thread will be help - what should be change in these units cards.

REASONS:

1. In first screen of Rome 2' Units Cards (battle of Teutoburg Forrest) is Greek ceramic style from archaic age (8th-6th BC) but 'Rome 2' is in Hellenistic times (from 3rd BC to later), so this style is completely not historically.

2. Hellenistic period (ages of Rome 2) has other Greek style of art - colorful and more realistic bodies, faces (3d structure).

3. Why Greek stlye for Romans? Name of game is ROME 2. Why Greek art for all units cards? Romans have other style, similar to Etrucans and Samnites - similar to archaic Greek ceramic but colorful... Later they had more realistic and colorful paintings (3d structure).

4. Iconic art of Romans is mosaic style. It will be great to see mosaic style in UI.

5. It is example if in game about Renaissance will be style of 18th century - white wigs on units cards with German landsknechts.

5. Units Cards from screen aren't 100% style Greek ceramic, beacuse soldiers don't have faces. It could be see closer in screen of collector edition - 'Punic Wars' cards.

6. Should be better detailed cards. There are 117 units! This Greek archaic ceramic style is not good to see variety between units. We can see legionaries, because they have scutum,but other like Gauls, Germans, Egyptioan?


So Units Cards could be:
- Roman style, because Rome is the most important faction in game (title: Rome);
- art from period of game (Hellenistic era, not Archaic);
- no archaic Greek art - Italian archaic was colorful;
- better detailed cards;
- standard style like Napoleon Total War, Medieval 2, Rome 1 etc.


REAL EXAMPLES:

Real Hellenistic - Greek/Macedonian style from Rome 2 period:


Italian style of paintings- Samnites, but early Republican Romans and Etrusacns have very similar painting style:


Late Republican Romans and early Empire (period of Teutoburg Forrest):


Do you want more examples? Write in google - ancient macedonian art, macedonian tomb, etruscan art, samnite art etc. especially - ancient roman paintings.
You will see that art in period of Rome 2 was more colorful than archaic Greek art from actually units cards.

Not pre-alpha anymore

[Mary The Quene]

they're good for me

[torongill]

You're absolutely right, OP. You have few reasons. Not "a few", which means a small but enough number, but "few", which means a small(and not enough) number.
To be honest I'm not very excited about these unit cards myself, but I don't think CA will change them now, when they have locked the features and are undergoing testing.

[JGL]

Must be really funny for CA members to read this forum at times I mean what about more important questions like, why are all the men shaved? or why isn't the spartan colour more red?

OH WAIT

[Sharpe]

Must be really funny for CA members to read this forum at times I mean what about more important questions like, why are all the men shaved? or why isn't the spartan colour more red?

OH WAIT

I like the way Sharpe thinks.

Antiochus -as usual, I (and most likely everyone else) am unconvinced by your paltry argument.

[weirdoascensor]

"Few reasons why Units Cards could be change"

Wrong. It Should be:

"Few Reasons why The Unit Cards Should be Changed"

So I suggest, You Should change the Thread Title.

On more serious Note:
Yes, I also wish for some more identifiable Unitcards; However, seeing that CA already printed the cards for The Special Collector Edition, seems like they won't change it.

[Rhaegar1]

What in what way did you think it's necessary to make a new thread for this? I'm 100% sure a few of the other people that can't put thing in perspective made threads exactly like this.

[KLAssurbanipal]

1. In first screen of Rome 2' Units Cards (battle of Teutoburg Forrest) is Greek ceramic style from archaic age (8th-6th BC) but 'Rome 2' is in Hellenistic times (from 3rd BC to later), so this style is completely not historically.

2. Hellenistic period (ages of Rome 2) has other Greek style of art - colorful and more realistic bodies, faces (3d structure).

3. Why Greek stlye for Romans? Name of game is ROME 2. Why Greek art for all units cards? Romans have other style, similar to Etrucans and Samnites - similar to archaic Greek ceramic but colorful... Later they had more realistic and colorful paintings (3d structure).

These reasons are enough to change it.

In time of the game Roman art looks like these:

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[KLAssurbanipal]

RGA, You posted older times examples. Etrusan vase isn't the same time as Greek. Roman vase is few hundreds year older.

In time of Rome 2 Roman art looks like these:

[Virtanen]

6. Should be better detailed cards. There are 117 units! This Greek archaic ceramic style is not good to see variety between units. We can see legionaries, because they have scutum,but other like Gauls, Germans, Egyptioan?

This is the only relevant point you make.

[* Matolo Swazulu *]

They are unlikely to change:
If you look carefully on the pack of cards that you'll get in the collectors edition, look at the pictures of the soldiers. This further points to CA sticking with and backing this style of unit card.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

They are unlikely to change:
If you look carefully on the pack of cards that you'll get in the collectors edition, look at the pictures of the soldiers. This further points to CA sticking with and backing this style of unit card.

Those iconic figurines are utterly Ugly and completely Wrong historically ....

Unfortunately no complain seems to reach the high chambers of developments , after the 1tpy , I highly doubt any whining abut those UI cards will make any difference ... too bad ... I am sure that modders woudl make a better job if only the game will be moddable .

[Cresilia]

Those iconic figurines are utterly Ugly and completely Wrong historically ....

Unfortunately no complain seems to reach the high chambers of developments , after the 1tpy , I highly doubt any whining abut those UI cards will make any difference ... too bad ... I am sure that modders woudl make a better job if only the game will be moddable .

You thought whining about anything would make a difference?