Hellenistic wars -- the struggle for Greece

[Huberto]

Now that a Greek "culture pack" has been announced for the game, I thought it made sense to take a look at the historical record of conflict in Greece during the period of the game. It is quite extensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chremonidean_War
267-261 BC started by Athens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleomenean_War
228-222 BC started by Sparta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_War_
220-217 BC Started by Macedon against the Aetolian League and Sparta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_Lyctus
220 BC War among Cretan city states

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Macedonian_War
214-205 BC Started by Macedon against Rome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretan_War
205-200 BC Started by Macedon against Rhodes and Pergamum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Macedonian_War
200-197 BC Started by Macedon or Rome, depending on your view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_Nabis
195 BC Started by Sparta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RomanSyrian_War
192-188 BC Started by the Seleucid Empire and the Aetolian league against Rome, Rhodes and Pergamum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Macedonian_War
171-168 BC Started by Rome and Pergamum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Macedonian_War
150-148 BC Macedonian pretender revolt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaean_War
146 BC Started by the Achean League

Let me know which ones I missed...

[Steel*Faith]

What about the Pyrrhic Wars?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_War 280–275 BC

Would make for a very awesome campaign, and would involve battles of Epirus vs Rome, Carthage, Macedon

The Siege of Sparta 272 BC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sparta

In 272 BC, Cleonymus, a Spartan of royal blood who was hated among fellow Spartans, asked Pyrrhus to attack Sparta and place him in power. Pyrrhus agreed to the plan intending to win control of the Peloponnese for himself but unexpected strong resistance thwarted his assault on Sparta. On the retreat he lost his first born son Ptolemy who had been in command of the guard.

[Huberto]

What about the Pyrrhic Wars?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_War 280–275 BC

Would make for a very awesome campaign, and would involve battles of Epirus vs Rome, Carthage, Macedon

Agreed, but I left it off for two reasons 1.) I thought the start date for the game was 270 BC and 2.) Was almost exclusively fought in Italy (parts of Greater Greece, but not Greece itself).

The Siege of Sparta 272 BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Sparta

In 272 BC, Cleonymus, a Spartan of royal blood who was hated among fellow Spartans, asked Pyrrhus to attack Sparta and place him in power. Pyrrhus agreed to the plan intending to win control of the Peloponnese for himself but unexpected strong resistance thwarted his assault on Sparta. On the retreat he lost his first born son Ptolemy who had been in command of the guard.

Good one although a few years early. I'd missed this.

[Sixer19]

very cool

[neoptolemos]

A good example of how Greeks excel in fighting themselves

[kostas84]

A good example of how Greeks excel in fighting themselves

If the Greeks were united back then instead of fighting constant wars against each other maybe they would have eliminated Rome.

[neoptolemos]

If the Greeks were united back then instead of fighting constant wars against each other maybe they would have eliminated Rome.

Well Rome managed to control Greeks far better than any other Greek state did in the past.
Of course Rome systematically was building up her conquest of Greece-Part by part and with the assistance of Greek themselves against Greeks.
You don't mess with the fools all together.

[MathiasOfAthens]

If the Greeks were united back then instead of fighting constant wars against each other maybe they would have eliminated Rome.

Depends on whether or not you consider the Macedonians Greeks or invaders.

[neoptolemos]

Depends on whether or not you consider the Macedonians Greeks or invaders.

Any Greek was an invader for Greeks-looks at Peloponessian war, Theban Hegemony, Athenian Hegemony, Sicilian campaign, Greeks fought on Roman side against Greeks etc.
That's pretty essential ancient Greek history

[kostas84]

Depends on whether or not you consider the Macedonians Greeks or invaders.

Macedonia back then was a Hellenistic kingdom, so they could have represented Greece, like they did during Alexander the Great.

[mentecato]

If the Greeks were united back then instead of fighting constant wars against each other maybe they would have eliminated Rome.

lol, not maybe...for sure

[Oplitis]

If the Greeks were united back then instead of fighting constant wars against each other maybe they would have eliminated Rome.

Most probably.

[MathiasOfAthens]

If there are enough regions in Greece modders will be able to create custom campaigns of these areas. However, if there are only a few regions in Greece at the start date then you wont get many more unique factions since there are not regions for them.

[mentecato]

cool thread

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

can we stop link to Wikipedia, or im going to sit up all night and edit the pages to prove my point.

[Sun Jetzu]

great way to bring wikipedia and twcenter together!

[PietroMicca]

Hellenic and not Hellenistic

[Anna_Gein]

Hellenic or Hellenistic. Since he mentioned wars which only happen during the Hellenistic era and not fought by Greeks alone "Hellenistic" is more accurate. Or do I miss the sense of "Hellenistic" in English ?

[Sharpe]

As I understand it, Hellenic refers to the people and Hellenistic refers to the period (323 - 146/31 BC Occupation of mainland Greece/Fall of Ptolemiac Empire)

[Barbarian Nobility]

I think ppl here have an over-generalised view of equating hellenic peoples with greeks; calling Macedon/Pontus/Seluecia/Ptolomaic Egypt 'greeks' is like calling South Africa/Australia/New Zealand/United States/Canada 'english'.