[HS] There is Only War.... [F&B 0.8 Deathmatch] - DORNE OPEN

[Badger-dude]

I mentioned above that attacking ports would be fine, but no attacking fleets of the player unless they have came before you. Seemed to make sense considering tr strting fleetbpositions of various factions?

Attacking forts or armies in your lands is allowed. No attacking outside your borders.

I am only up in one hotseat (where I am admin anyway, so I grant myself an extension :-p)

However, Doctor has ordered me to rest. As such I will be avoiding the computer and phone for today.

Will be around tomorrow evening so extensions please if neccessary.

[jemdkyl]

If you think about it you did attack my fleet, I can't get it away and instead of destroying it this turn, you will destroy it in 3-4 turns. I should be allowed a single turn to do what I want with those ships, right now they're useless. I haven't realized you asked that question, sorry for not answering it. Though I could blockade Arryn's port, which would benefit me, I don't want to do that because I don't think it's fair that he doesn't get a chance to do what he wants Meh, best thing for me would be if you replayed without blockading my port, but that will take time and we'd also have to bother Dux because of our troubles I guess if you move those ships away next turn and not attack my men it'll be fine. In the long run they are all dead anyway, I just want to make some damage before they do die.

Also, sort of hypocritical of me but if you won't replay your turn I will blockade Arryn's ships. I have to compensate somehow..

I'm gonna need an extension, got an exam at 2 and will be back around 8.

[Badger-dude]

Sorry mate, but everything I did was within the stated rules (Both the original constitution ones and the additional rule added a few days ago when the hotseat started)

All I can do is move my ship so it is not blockading, but it will still block your movement... And would mean unessessary fiddling for no change.

Either way, House Florent is still pretty screwed.

My tactic was not the most honourable, but there is nothing stopping you from doing something similar with Targ and the Crownlands.

There would be nothing wrong with you blockading Arryns ships as it is allowed within the rules.

The rule was added after remembering something that occurred in a previous hotseat.

I can move the ships via console so they are no longer blockading you, but I woupd merely position them so your fleet still could not move anyway...

You can obvs sail against the blockade. And attack forts within borders.

Sorry, but I am at work so cannot be clearer. I thought it was clear in the post above.

Can we get a consensus of opinion regarding blockading ports?

If we 'replay' I'll just move the ships via console and then back again, so the effect is identical. The ships still can't move unless they attack my fleet, which they cannot defeat.

[jemdkyl]

Stannis is the one true King - bend the knee or be destroyed.



I have the honor of drawing first blood, after Hightower and Tyrell's aggression, I was left with no choice.

OOC: It seems I'm going to fight almost every player in this hotseat, Dorne, Targaryen, Baratheon, Arryn, North (if I survive long enough), you name it.

Sorry for the long wait though people. Alester lost around 200 men, the rest 7-8 men in the small skirmishes.

[Badger-dude]

Stannis is the one true King - bend the knee or be destroyed.

I have the honor of drawing first blood, after Hightower and Tyrell's aggression, I was left with no choice.

OOC: It seems I'm going to fight almost every player in this hotseat, Dorne, Targaryen, Baratheon, Arryn, North (if I survive long enough), you name it.

Sorry for the long wait though people. Alester lost around 200 men, the rest 7-8 men in the small skirmishes.

You cannot attack those men. They are not in your land. The rules are pretty clear on this.

Nor can you attack my forts in the Reach.

Nor can anyone bend the knee to Stannis. No diplomacy of any kind is allowed, remember.


I have two options, force a replay, or simply allow attacks on Turn One.

The latter seems the simplest, as long as Dux and Stouff consents? (As they have made their moves already)

[Uriyaca]

POOR FORTING Badger. Why the hell are those forts so close to each other?

It would be much cheaper and much more effective and also less dangerous if you just placed the forts two squares from each other instead of 1 square.... (read my forting guide ^^)

Why is there no fort per region limitation?

And in the OP there is 1 turn peace.... blockading a port is breaking one turn peace. Although it isn't a battle, I don't see how it isn't agression. Like marching your men through someone's lands and besieging a castle is agression so is bloackading a port.

Lastly, shouldn't there be an out of player admin?

[Badger-dude]

POOR FORTING Badger. Why the hell are those forts so close to each other?

It would be much cheaper and much more effective and also less dangerous if you just placed the forts two squares from each other instead of 1 square.... (read my forting guide ^^)

Why is there no fort per region limitation?

What the hell are you on about? They are all (bar a few) 2 squares apart.

And I did not want a fort limit.

[Uriyaca]

7 forts are 1 square apart

But you are right, I haven't noticed that some of them are 2 square apart. It was just a lot of forts ^^

[Badger-dude]

7 forts are 1 square apart

But you are right, I haven't noticed that some of them are 2 square apart. It was just a lot of forts ^^

Nope, only two forts are one square apart. Trust me on this. It took me an hour or so to do :-D

[jemdkyl]

Are you freaking serious? You blockade my port, build TWO forts in my land and now I cannot attack those men because they are in your land?

I would like an out of hotseat admin because you will keep making rules in your favor since you are both admin and player. You were aggressive, clearly you broke the one turn peace and I'm just returning the favor. You do not put a fort limit simply because you don't want to, and you say there are no territorial waters again simply because you don't want to. Either admin or play, both is not fair.

Bend the knee thing was just for lolz. Oh and I didn't attack your forts in the Reach, just moved a couple of men to show all the forts. I'm sure there are 20 more around your land I don't see though.

[Badger-dude]

Are you freaking serious? You blockade my port, build TWO forts in my land and now I cannot attack those men because they are in your land?

I would like an out of hotseat admin because you will keep making rules in your favor since you are both admin and player. You were aggressive, clearly you broke the one turn peace and I'm just returning the favor. You do not put a fort limit simply because you don't want to, and you say there are no territorial waters again simply because you don't want to. Either admin or play, both is not fair.

Bend the knee thing was just for lolz.

The rules were posted before I played my turn.

You and I discussed forting two days ago (before I played) and said it was allowed. I also clarified it in the thread.

However, we spoke about this extensively in this thread and via VM - You cannot just break a rule and self-justify it.

I already said I was willing to lift the blockade, it would just be a non-blockade blockade..

I have been admin and a player in half a dozen hotseats so far with not one question of my 'honour'. I have already asked for a co-admin for this.

I am going to let it slide for now because I really do not care enough about a few men. As long as you have not besieged my castle.

Now this puts me in a difficult position of having to bloody decide if you get a special little exception to the rule, or if it applies to everyone..

[Badger-dude]

Are you freaking serious? You blockade my port, build TWO forts in my land and now I cannot attack those men because they are in your land?

I would like an out of hotseat admin because you will keep making rules in your favor since you are both admin and player. You were aggressive, clearly you broke the one turn peace and I'm just returning the favor. You do not put a fort limit simply because you don't want to, and you say there are no territorial waters again simply because you don't want to. Either admin or play, both is not fair.

Bend the knee thing was just for lolz.

The rules were posted before I played my turn.

You and I discussed forting two days ago (before I played) and said it was allowed. I also clarified it in the thread.

However, we spoke about this extensively in this thread and via VM - You cannot just break a rule and self-justify it.

I already said I was willing to lift the blockade, it would just be a non-blockade blockade..

I have been admin and a player in half a dozen hotseats so far with not one question of my 'honour'. I have already asked for a co-admin for this.

I am going to let it slide for now because I really do not care enough about a few men. As long as you have not besieged my castle.

Now this puts me in a difficult position of having to bloody decide if you get a special little exception to the rule, or if it applies to everyone..

[Uriyaca]

9 actually, after looking over it again ^^

4 forts in a row are 1 square from each other on the big fortwall protecting from the Stormlands. 2 forts guarding the bridge are 1 square from each other (although they are not so relevent, but still ) and three forts in a row are 1 square from each other in the western fortwall

Can't agree more with Jem, he is quoting my thoughts.... Player+admin= menace

I suggest you find another person to judge between you two, I cannot right now as I'm watching Star Wars . Have fun

[Badger-dude]

I forthwith resign as admin with immediate effect.

I don't have time to argue.

Emperor of Hell is appointed new admin. He can rule afresh on both the blockade by my ships matter and the attacking of my men.

[Emperor of Hell]

Badger-Dude asked me to be admin. Please replay Stannis. A turn 1 skip would be sad. If you don't like the rules (everything badger did was in the rules), find another hotseat. You get an extension till 24 hours after this post.

...Admin out...

[jemdkyl]

I do not want to replay as it took me hell alotta time to do that turn, I can disband 800 men if Badger wishes it so. That's around 400 more than I killed. If he won't agree to that then I'm leaving.

I don't see that rule in any other hotseat, just a special rule to this one which he made up because he's second in line. Blah, didn't mean to carry this little objection this far..

[Badger-dude]

I do not want to replay as it took me hell alotta time to do that turn, I can disband 800 men if Badger wishes it so. That's around 400 more than I killed. If he won't agree to that then I'm leaving.

Edit: Forgot this bit Okay, I agree to that.

I don't see that rule in any other hotseat, just a special rule to this one which he made up because he's second in line. Blah, didn't mean to carry this little objection this far.. :

I am not going to rise to that.

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Although it is tempting.

I would have placed myself first (makes sense as I am starting the hotseat) but North was already at the top.

Let's just play on.

With the following rules suggested to apply from now on - but not acting retroactively to either mine, Dux's, or Jem's turn -:

Because of the ******** in the other thread I announce the following change to the rule (Applying from my turn, not retroactively as I don't want to delay the bloody turn any longer)

1) No blockading on turn 1. Nor can you surround a port.
2) No forting inside enemies land on turn 1
3) No violating another's borders on turn 1

This is to stop any whining about turn order preference.

[The Forgotten]

Oh the glorious paragraphs. This hotseat has already lost it's marbles.

[gangstamaori]

I just wouldn't argue with Badger out of respect for the mod creator.

[Emperor of Hell]

Gonna try and find a new player. Can't allow rule breaking, even though with a fine, in turn 1 already. We need a fair start of the hotseat. Also, if you don't agree on the rules at all it's better to find another hotseat.