Would you show interest in a realistic and historical mode for fall of samurai

[jo the greek]

Mounted riflemen hitting accuretly on horse(shooting on moving targets from a horse is the best way to get you killed in a horse battle) Revolver cavarly(what is this) shooting accurate and very far from revolvers where used (where used to shoot targets in less than 1o meters). Satelite targeting art firing at high angle hitting targets behing hills and cliffs (not even modern art can do that).

Recruits with muzzle loading rifles shooting very fast. fictional units like United states marines with insane rate of fire (while didnt use that rifles in the start of the game).

Rifles not being able further than 200 meters (i man not sure if their ranges is similar to meters or yards) Insane archers shooting further than rifles. Dispersed units in woods or in hills being destryoed easily.

And tons of that . Would you find a mode that would fix the above plus adding realistic stamina and speed to the game as interesting?!!

I mean battles should be judged by carefull planning carefull firing carefull arranging your troops.

Not just insane firepower?! And most successfull mode in history of Total war games tried always to be accurate.

[weirdoascensor]

Start modding then...either advising established Modders to enhance Theirs, Making Modmod from existing Mods, or make it Yourselves from scratch...

-Orbital Artillery: Already Modded. You may want to increase the scatter...
-Archer Range Shorter Than Rifle: Some Mods already done this.

Well, Let's Start...any more suggestions?

[Erwin Rommel]

Meh. More interested in making the campaign map even more vastly detailed like implementing the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Han

More room for more domains, hmmm maybe even EXTEND the timeline, instead of starting at 1860s, maybe 1840s.

[DeliCiousTZM]

Meh. More interested in making the campaign map even more vastly detailed like implementing the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Han

More room for more domains, hmmm maybe even EXTEND the timeline, instead of starting at 1860s, maybe 1840s.

That is what a good mod does. It adds to the experience it doesn't try and restrict it or completely overhaul it. I have seen many mods destroyed by people with "Historical accuracy in mind"
Stainless steel 6.3 doesn't allow normal recruitment. and with no replenishment getting a late tier army is very difficult if not impossible with 20 turns for the next unit.
Same with TATW.

Luckily for me Vanilla is here to stay with darthmod + radius being a niche(for good reason). So nobody is gonna destroy my experience by making "Realistic" changes.

[BullGod]

I see you've just dicovered that TW (especially this one) was designed as a multiplayer arcade match game, not battle simulation, using history instead of depicting it.

Start modding. It's fun.

[jo the greek]

I see you've just dicovered that TW (especially this one) was designed as a multiplayer arcade match game, not battle simulation, using history instead of depicting it.

Start modding. It's fun.

Since being here from 2007 knowing about modes since then THIS comments makes me to bang my head on the wall ..


Its really sad the lack of interested of modding FOS sad

I mean not anyone realised that Double hodling revolves horsemen was like utterly phantasy and non can ride a horse and shoot revolvers especially at that distance.

I have seen shooting unitsh dispersed behinds thick forest in higher level from them the game is an utterly crap of on physics

[BullGod]

Since being here from 2007 knowing about modes since then THIS comments makes me to bang my head on the wall ..


Its really sad the lack of interested of modding FOS sad

I mean not anyone realised that Double hodling revolves horsemen was like utterly phantasy and non can ride a horse and shoot revolvers especially at that distance.

I have seen shooting unitsh dispersed behinds thick forest in higher level from them the game is an utterly crap of on physics

I guess I just didn't understand what was the purpose of that thread and for a person with such experience in this forums you seem to be quite fond of repeating things mentioned houndreds of times.
You don't like TW 'realism'? Then mod it, as many others did. You have suggestions for a mod? There are FOTS mods already that can be improved if you can convince their author of your ideas. But basically it's best to mod the game yourself, since everybody has their own idea on how "realism" should look like. THEN you can see if people would be interested in your vision of "realism". Every second mod is " ultra super realistic",mind you.

Also, I've seen "True Grit" and I know that double revolver cavalry are not only possible, but deadly.

[jo the greek]

you have seen true Grit !!! what dude dude fiction isnt reality DUDE TELL ME WHY I continue to argue with this fella and Lucky Luke can shoot faster than his shadow (oh my god !!!)

jo, if you want to convince Modders, to work on your ideas, ask politely. Don't Rant.
There are Modders that work with FoTS, obviously. Just work with them. I'd say that You should list what You want, then present them to Modders, or work it Yourselves with Advices from other Modders.

Why a Modder advising a fellow Modder makes you bang your head?

-Game Distance is measured by Metres

-Revolver Cav: Swap Animation. The question is: Lower the accuracy or the effective range? Should them fire in volley at far away target (vanilla 50m)with low accuracy or Point blank range of more devastating fusilade?

-Bullets in this game still can kill even if it has travelled over the indicated Effective Range that the men start firing. So, how far is the Effective Range should Pistols, Smoothbore Muskets, Rifled Musket, Breechloading Rifles, and Sharpshooter Rifles be in your opinion? and how long in seconds should their base reload time?

-US Marines are Fictional?
-I thought we already discussed that US Marines used Breechloader Springfields in Ganghwa Incident?

-With entity speed tweaked that also bring projectile lethality, reloading speed, morale base and effects in it to be balanced. Quite delicate to test.


Talking about orbital artillery, several days ago I Encircle an enemy reinforcement in FoTS...My Troops were on The Hills surrounding them. Then I called for a Barrage...I forgot that The Sea is behind my position...The Shells slammed into My Troops on the top of the hills...Well, I can't be mad at myself, since I Modded my game for Lower Artillery Trajectory...

I dont rant i argue and sorry fanboy that i told that the game is fool of nonsense you are in Total war center build for modders that most of them try to be accurate and historical

and you blame me of rant THIS PLACE EXIST cause people wanted more from Total war Games .

Revolver cavalry (have you ever any idea of historical knowledge NEVER like never mass cavalry troops used massivel revolvers individuals used and had their hand risked to be cutt off . Plus in 1860s revolvers were Rare even to USA and very slow the revolver needed many times to kill someone. And in 1vs1 battles usually they guy with sword wins the guy with the revolver WHY? cause they didnt had the stopping power . Thats why Europeans armies used lances swords and Americans saw offed shotguns or something more powerfull. There i enlighten you.
US marines is completly fictional as representation in the game (in reality they should be just a good infantry unit with a muzzle loader rifle)You wanna learn why search wiki and google (i am not giving you it easilly this time)

And i like you guyies telling mode the game don rant or etc . How the hell you know what i do ? Have you ever checked modes here to judge me and tell me that i should start moding or etc

I mean its a thread to discuss the historical accuracy of the game and the interest of people in the Historical modes NOT TO BULLY Me cause i said that the game lucks historical accuracy just because you think your Internet ANONYMITY offers you immunity and you act like that !!!


The title of my thread is to discuss whether people would interested in a historical mode and realistic and please do not derail the thread cause you wannat to tell me and convice everything is great or that trying to tell what to do !!!

[Sun Jetzu]

it depends on what you mean by "interested" lol
to be honest, i love the way fall of the samurai is, EXCEPT for the fact no other clan modernises and arranges their army smartly. I hate that man!
I might fight two armies with my high teck one but those two armies are always made up of levy infantry and pikes!
This sounds like i should make a thread on this.

[weirdoascensor]

jo, if you want to convince Modders, to work on your ideas, ask politely. Don't Rant.
There are Modders that work with FoTS, obviously. Just work with them. I'd say that You should list what You want, then present them to Modders, or work it Yourselves with Advices from other Modders.

Why a Modder advising a fellow Modder makes you bang your head?

-Game Distance is measured by Metres

-Revolver Cav: Swap Animation. The question is: Lower the accuracy or the effective range? Should them fire in volley at far away target (vanilla 50m)with low accuracy or Point blank range of more devastating fusilade?

-Bullets in this game still can kill even if it has travelled over the indicated Effective Range that the men start firing. So, how far is the Effective Range should Pistols, Smoothbore Muskets, Rifled Musket, Breechloading Rifles, and Sharpshooter Rifles be in your opinion? and how long in seconds should their base reload time?

-US Marines are Fictional?
-I thought we already discussed that US Marines used Breechloader Springfields in Ganghwa Incident?

-With entity speed tweaked that also bring projectile lethality, reloading speed, morale base and effects in it to be balanced. Quite delicate to test.


Talking about orbital artillery, several days ago I Encircle an enemy reinforcement in FoTS...My Troops were on The Hills surrounding them. Then I called for a Barrage...I forgot that The Sea is behind my position...The Shells slammed into My Troops on the top of the hills...Well, I can't be mad at myself, since I Modded my game for Lower Artillery Trajectory...

[weirdoascensor]

Wat.

Haaa....Its either I overestimate my Poor Communication Skills; You're incredibly insecure; or Internet is not the best Environment to convey meanings...

Sigh...Alrighty then, I'll explain to you since you don't get it...

That Artillery Story shows me how I'm happy to make the trajectory better, or you can say more realistic, even if that means I have to lose some Conveniences in the Game.

All that talk about Revolver Cavalry ranges, accuracy and animation means simply means :I ask for your Opinion on how it should be in Technical manner, and I'm willing to give modding advices.

Yes, surely I've checked the mods here...and what do you propose? Something more concrete than expressions of dislike would help to bring this thread forward...

The Point: I'm not opposing you. The supposed tone of the posts here are motivational. We're asking what would you like and our opinions about it. We're ready help you Mod the Game. I Interested in Mods, since modding will enhance the gaming experience.

Is it Clear?

[BullGod]

you have seen true Grit !!! what dude dude fiction isnt reality DUDE TELL ME WHY I continue to argue with this fella and Lucky Luke can shoot faster than his shadow (oh my god !!!)

You should, you really, really should relax. Maybe then you'll be able to take a joke. And also you might avoid getting a stroke.

I dont rant i argue and sorry fanboy that i told that the game is fool of nonsense you are in Total war center build for modders that most of them try to be accurate and historical

and you blame me of rant THIS PLACE EXIST cause people wanted more from Total war Games .

Revolver cavalry (have you ever any idea of historical knowledge NEVER like never mass cavalry troops used massivel revolvers individuals used and had their hand risked to be cutt off . Plus in 1860s revolvers were Rare even to USA and very slow the revolver needed many times to kill someone. And in 1vs1 battles usually they guy with sword wins the guy with the revolver WHY? cause they didnt had the stopping power . Thats why Europeans armies used lances swords and Americans saw offed shotguns or something more powerfull. There i enlighten you.
US marines is completly fictional as representation in the game (in reality they should be just a good infantry unit with a muzzle loader rifle)You wanna learn why search wiki and google (i am not giving you it easilly this time)

And i like you guyies telling mode the game don rant or etc . How the hell you know what i do ? Have you ever checked modes here to judge me and tell me that i should start moding or etc

I mean its a thread to discuss the historical accuracy of the game and the interest of people in the Historical modes NOT TO BULLY Me cause i said that the game lucks historical accuracy just because you think your Internet ANONYMITY offers you immunity and you act like that !!!


The title of my thread is to discuss whether people would interested in a historical mode and realistic and please do not derail the thread cause you wannat to tell me and convice everything is great or that trying to tell what to do !!!

Nobody here argues that those things you say aren't true, most of us just have discussed this many times before, so it's just not very interesting to read how you discover that this game isn't realistic. What's more all I've seen was people trying to encourage you to mod the game, therefore answering your question in the thread title.
weirdoascensor knows how to mod the game and if he finds something not to his liking, he can change it for himself, maybe releasing it as a mod if he'll be happy with results and finds it worth it. My suggestion for you was to do the same, especially if you've found him ready to help you.

You've got worked up over nothing, proving only that conversing with you is kind of pointless.

And please don't use words like "fanboy", even if you think (I repeat - think) someone is disagreeing with you (people have right to different opinion, you know. Even if they like the vanilla game). With this and "bullying" you remind me of certain someone else who always got worked up over human right to overthrow STEAM whatever the discussion was about.

I still trying to figure what are you trying to achive. Find someone to make a mod with your suggestions, or probing if interest would be sufficient for you to make it? Or simply grumble a little maybe? Whatever the reason, take a deep breath, stop thinking everyone is against you and maybe try to explain.

[jo the greek]

I am not trying nothing to achieve you just try to derail my thread. If you were relative you would not appeared at from nowhere telling me what to do like internet bullies. The thread was made to see how many people would like a historical modes . Not modes with Double wielding revolvers no modes with Japanese with Custer hats. Pls leave my thread

[BullGod]

I am not trying nothing to achieve you just try to derail my thread. If you were relative you would not appeared at from nowhere telling me what to do like internet bullies. The thread was made to see how many people would like a historical modes . Not modes with Double wielding revolvers no modes with Japanese with Custer hats. Pls leave my thread

Well, maybe the language is a barrier, because for some reason we do not understand eachother. (I really don't get it why would I want to be your relative all of a sudden)

[jo the greek]

you destroyed the thread you didnt tell not a single usefull stuff go ahead and mode the game producing more clown units with katanas

[crunchyfrog]

Best thread in here for a very long time.

I am amused.