stat_pri description

[evil-SHADOW]

Hi people
I'd like to ask you about stat_pri attribute in EDU file.
What we have in stat_pri parameters?

; stat_pri From left to right
; attack factor
; attack bonus factor if charging
; missile type fired (no if not a missile weapon type)
; range of missile
; amount of missile ammunition per man
; Weapon type = melee, thrown, missile, or siege_missile
; Tech type = simple, other, blade, archery or siege
; Damage type = piercing, blunt, slashing or fire. (I don't think this is used anymore)
; Sound type when weapon hits = none, knife, mace, axe, sword, or spear
; Min delay between attacks (in 1/10th of a second)

Sum total we have 10 parameters. Am i right?

Now let's look at any unit's description:

type seleucid gold shield pikemen
dictionary rtr_seleucid_gold_shields
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier seleucid_gold, 60, 0, 1
attributes sea_faring,hide_forest,can_sap,hardy
formation 0.9, 1, 2, 2, 8,square,phalanx
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 1 , 0.4
stat_pri_attr spear,long_pike, spear_bonus_8
stat_sec 5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 0 , 0.3
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 14, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground -8, 0, -16, 0
stat_mental 15, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 0
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 607, 331, 104, 112, 528
ownership seleucid

There we can see already 11 parameters!

And what the last parameter does mean?

P.S. 0.1-second delay between sarissa's strikes... cool

P.P.S. what the light_spear parameter does mean?

[evil-SHADOW]

So, nobody knows? Interesting...

[Cheexsta]

I'm not sure about the numbers (I recall something about there being a "kill rate" or somesuch there as well, ie how often a successful hit would kill an enemy; that may be what the 1 value is), maybe one of the EDU balancers will be able to help you out there. I'm fairly sure that the last value, the 0.4, is the "min delay between attacks" that the description mentions.

Light_spear refers to the unit's bonuses vs cavalry when they are in the "Ready" stance. Changing it to "spear" makes the unit have a higher bonus against cavalry when they're ready for it, but in earlier versions we found this to be one of the primary causes for what was known as the spear push bug. Basically, spearmen were able to push through enemy lines very easily; for example, I had one unit of Italian spearmen in my first test campaign manage to push through the spears of a Spartan phalanx that was on top of a hill. Changing this value to "light spear" partially rectified this.

As such, it's best to keep light_spear as it is.

[evil-SHADOW]

I'm not sure about the numbers (I recall something about there being a "kill rate" or somesuch there as well, ie how often a successful hit would kill an enemy; that may be what the 1 value is), maybe one of the EDU balancers will be able to help you out there. I'm fairly sure that the last value, the 0.4, is the "min delay between attacks" that the description mentions.

I disagree. Most of EDU units have 25 or 20 or 15 at 10-th place. It seems like 10-th place is exactly "min delay between attacks". How can you explain 0.04-second pause between strikes? But if 0.4 is kill rate then why we need attack, defence etc? That's all simple - 40% of hits are instant kills... non-dependently of all? I doubt.

Light_spear refers to the unit's bonuses vs cavalry when they are in the "Ready" stance. Changing it to "spear" makes the unit have a higher bonus against cavalry when they're ready for it, but in earlier versions we found this to be one of the primary causes for what was known as the spear push bug. Basically, spearmen were able to push through enemy lines very easily; for example, I had one unit of Italian spearmen in my first test campaign manage to push through the spears of a Spartan phalanx that was on top of a hill. Changing this value to "light spear" partially rectified this.

As such, it's best to keep light_spear as it is.

Hmmmmm... light_spear gives bonuses vs cavalry just as spear does?

And what about penalties against infantry for light_spear?

EDU says that

spear & light_spear = The unit when braced has various protecting mechanisms versus cavalry charges from the front