Hello, Looking for some size statistics

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    LotsofxXandzZ said:

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    Hello, my question is if anyone has reliable sizes for the average Russian and Prussian infantry battalion, cavalry squadron and amount of guns in a battery at the time of May 1813 around the time of Lutzen and Bautzen?

    I have some guesses but i cannot find much about accurate numbers.

    Thanks for reading.
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    Prince of Essling said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by LotsofxXandzZ View Post
    Hello, my question is if anyone has reliable sizes for the average Russian and Prussian infantry battalion, cavalry squadron and amount of guns in a battery at the time of May 1813 around the time of Lutzen and Bautzen?

    I have some guesses but i cannot find much about accurate numbers.

    Thanks for reading.
    According to Plotho "Der Krieg in Deutschland und Frankreich 1813 und 1814" Volume 1 the average Russian strengths at Bautzen were:

    Cavalry squadron 100 men
    Cossack regiment 250 men
    infantry battalion 500 to 600 men
    Grenadier battalions 300 to 400 men
    Guard infantry battalion 400 men
    artillery battery 150 men

    Total of 68,000 men
    121 squadrons = 12,200 men
    85 battalions of infantry = 40,200 men
    42 artillery batteries = 6,250 men
    35 cossack regts & 4 streifkorps = 8,950 men

    Prussians totalled 28,000 men broken down as follows:
    59 squadrons = 5,900
    41 infantry battalions = 20,300
    17.5 batteries =1,800 men

    However summary tables in Petre "Napoleon' last campaign in Germany" & Nafziger "Lutzen & Bautzen - Napoleon's Spring campaign of 1813" have following gross totals:

    Russians:
    Miloradovich: 8,800 inf; 3,400 cav; 1,750 cossacks; 650 arty & engineers; 54 guns (note Nafziger has 8,000 inf)
    Gortschakov: 10,500 inf; 2,000 cav; 450 cossacks; 750 arty & eng; 66 guns
    Constantine: 11,300 inf; 5,350 cav; 3,250 arty & eng; 252 guns
    Barclay: 9,150 inf; 1,800 cav; 1,220 cossacks; 1,420 arty & eng; 84 guns (Nafziger has no cossacks)
    Kleist: 1,400 inf; 420 cav; 550 cossacks; 180 arty & eng; 16 guns

    Prussians:
    Blucher: 17,040 inf; 4,710 cav; 1,550 arty & eng; 90 guns
    Yorck: 4,120 inf; 1,210 cav; 340 arty & eng; 36 guns
    Kleist: 2,300 inf; 330 cav; 300 arty 7 eng; 24 guns
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    Prince of Essling said:

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    For Lutzen, Plotho has the following:

    Russians:
    Berg:
    21 infantry battalions @ 300 = 6,300 men
    3 cavalry squadrons @ 100 = 300 men
    3 batteries @ 150 = 450 men (includes Don cossack battery)
    Attaman Cossack rgt = 400 men
    Winzingerode:
    19 infantry battalions @ 300 = 5,700 men
    2 Ukrainian cossack regts = 600 men
    19 cavalry squadrons @100 = 1,900 men
    7 1/6 batteries @150 = 1,075 men
    5 cossack regts @ 250 = 1,250 men
    Tormassow:
    14 guard inf battalions @ 400 = 5,600 men
    10 grenadier battalions @ 400 = 4,000 men
    38 cuirassier squadrons @100 = 3,800 men
    17 Guard light cavalry squadrons @100 = 1,700 men
    15 batteries @ 150 = 2,250 men
    Blucher:
    3 batteries @ 150 = 450 men

    Russian Summary:
    64 battalions = 21,600 men
    83 squadrons = 8,300 men
    28 1/6 batteries = 4,225 men
    6 cossack rgts = 1,650 men

    Prussians:
    Blucher: 22 battalions; 43 squadrons; 10 1/2 batteries; = 23,350 men
    Yorck: 12 1/2 battalions; 12 squadrons; 6 1/2 batteries; = 10,000 men
    Kleist: 4 1/2 battalions; 4 squadrons; 1 battery = 2,800 men

    Petre has the following summary table:

    Russians:
    Berg: 6,200 inf; 400 cav; 500 coss; 900 arty etc; 60 guns
    Winzingerode: 6,400 inf; 4,000 cav; 2,700 coss; 1,350 arty etc; 90 guns
    Tormassow: 9,600 inf; 5,200 cav; 1,700 arty etc; 136 guns
    Kleist: 1,800 inf; 560 cav; 800 coss; 200 arty etc; 32 guns
    Miloradowich: 5,000 inf; 1,740 cav; 1,000 coss; 1,130 arty; 86 guns
    (note Kleist & Miloradowich neither engaged in main battle)

    Prussians:
    Blucher: 18,500 inf; 5,500 cav; 1,480 arty; 92 guns (this points to 11 1/2 batteries)
    Yorck: 6,540 inf; 1,300 cav; 700 arty; 40 guns (this points to 5 batteries)
    Kleist: 2,200 inf; 440 cav; 200 arty; 16 guns (this points to 2 batteries)
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    LotsofxXandzZ said:

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    Thanks alot Prince, you always have good information!

    I wish i could give you repbut i must spread some around first
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