Skins question

[Kret]

Been playing the RSII mod for awhile now and absolutely love it, i hope creative assembly has consulted with tone and the boys for RII. iv gotten pretty far in my roman campaign but wanted to change the scenery a bit and go to my always second favorite.. the greeks. Decided on sparta, cuz i mean, come on its sparta. MOST of the units i enjoy, but the spartan hoplites IMO are horrid. Historically accurate or not the low grade armor and the cone head helmets are depressing! Their "command unit" or w/e you want to call him looks pretty bad ass and having the spartan hoplites look more like the pomachois (spelling?) would be cool. i think if you take the flag holder guys armor (from the spartan unit) and the promachois helmet that would look pretty bad ass.

Does anyone know how this can be done? Im not huge with moding but i know my way around the computer.
Im not looking to make this huge submod or anything i just want to play with the skins a bit.

If someone already has one and can share, id also be interested in that.

Thanks

[Sertorio]

Replace them by Promachoi will be relatively simple. Look for the Export_descr_unit, either in Play_Sparta or Data for 0 turn, or in the Play_One_turn for the 1 turn recruitment. Open with notepad or Notepad+ ann look for the following section:

type spartan hoplite
dictionary spartan_hoplite
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Medium_1
soldier greek_hoplite_spartan, 60, 0, 1.212, 0.22
officer spartan_officer
officer spartan_mystic
officer greek_flutist
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, very_hardy, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted
formation 1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, shield_wall
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 12, 13, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, spear, 25, 0.161
stat_pri_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_6
stat_sec 12, 9, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 25, 0.161
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 5, 27, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 1, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 0, 0, -2, -2
stat_mental 24, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 33
stat_fire_delay 5000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 0, 2116, 518, 319, 425, 265
ownership greek_cities, britons

Replace the soldier by spartan_promachoi and now they will all look like promachoi but keep the other stats. Back up before you do this.
If you want to change more things remember that is also a question of models, so of yo want to use the standar bearer you will probably need to do some work on the textures.

[Kret]

I dont want to just copy paste promachoi into the spartan file... theres a few things i want to play with on the model. i did the whole photoshop dds converter thing, but i think thats just for colors and design. is there a way to change the models? like taking the helmets and shields and armor and puting them on the other models.

The items i want to use are in the game already so im not looking to make entirely new items. For instance, i want the Spartan hoplites to have the armor and helmets of the promachoi but keep their shields. any good programs for this kind of thing?

[the man, the myth, the legend]

Check out the tutorials, anything you need to know is there somewhere and if its not just ask, they're really helpful over there.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forum...r-unit-editing Good Luck.

[Sertorio]

Autodesk 3ds Max is the only you can use to change the model itself. But for your idea is better to change the Promachoi texture for the Spartan hoplite shield and rename it for something else. That way you will have you new texture without changing the model. But you will have to play with the Descr_model_battle, wich defines the relations between all models and their textures.

[Kret]

ok so i think im almost there. basically i had to edit the promachoi file to have the spartan shield then saved it so i have the original promachoi and my new ones. problem i ran into was i couldnt just make the spartan file look like the promachois because the model is not set up the same. so i think what i need to do is make the spartan file look for my modded promachoi file when it wants to make the display. is that in the desc_model_battle?

i need to find the spartan hoplite in desc_model_battle and change its texture line from the spartan file to the promachoi file..correct?

[Sertorio]

Not only the texture but mostly the CAS file. Your new hoplite will require the Promachoi CAS files. You could creat a new entry in the DMB but i think the max number of units has been reached. You will need to replace the CAS file and place your new textures. Back up before messing with DMB and EDU because an error in what you are doing may cause a missing texture alert, but also a CTD.



type greek_hoplite_spartan
skeleton fs_o_f_spearman, fs_s1_swordsman
indiv_range 40
texture greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/Tone/Sparta/spartan_hoplite.tga ;;greek hoplite spartan
texture britons, data/models_unit/textures/Tone/Sparta/spartan_hoplite.tga ;;greek hoplite spartan
texture merc, data/models_unit/textures/Tone/Sparta/spartan_hoplite.tga ;;;;not used
model_flexi data/models_unit/spartan_hoplite_high.cas, max
model_sprite 50.0, data/sprites/RS_greek_hoplite_spartan_sprite.spr
model_sprite greek_cities, 50.0, data/sprites/RS_greek_hoplite_spartan_sprite.spr
model_sprite britons, 50.0, data/sprites/RS_greek_hoplite_spartan_sprite.spr
model_sprite merc, 50.0, data/sprites/RS_greek_hoplite_spartan_sprite.spr
model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

type spartan_promachoi
skeleton fs_s1_hoplite, fs_s1_swordsman ; combat spear
indiv_range 40
texture greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/Tone/Sparta/spartan_promachoi.tga ;;spartan promachoi
texture britons, data/models_unit/textures/Tone/Sparta/spartan_promachoi.tga ;;spartan promachoi
texture slave, data/models_unit/textures/Tone/freegreeks/spartan_promachoi_aitolia.tga ;;not used
texture merc, data/models_unit/textures/Tone/freegreeks/spartan_promachoi_aitolia.tga ;;naupaktos hoplite
model_flexi data/models_unit/spartan_promachoi_high.cas, max
model_sprite 50.0, data/sprites/RS_slave_spartan_promachoi_sprite.spr
model_sprite greek_cities, 50.0, data/sprites/RS_greek_cities_spartan_promachoi_sprite.spr
model_sprite britons, 50.0, data/sprites/RS_britons_spartan_promachoi_sprite.spr
model_sprite slave, 50.0, data/sprites/RS_slave_spartan_promachoi_sprite.spr
model_sprite merc, 50.0, data/sprites/RS_slave_spartan_promachoi_sprite.spr
model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

[Kret]

ok, one more hump and i think i have it. i have a file for the normal promachoi, and i have a file for my modded promachoi. i want the promachoi to look like they do and the spartan hoplites to look like my modded promochois. i cant seem to change the looks between the two though in the EDU i cant just put spartan_promachoi.... cuz thats the old ones. so what else do i have to change to get the difference between the two?

[Kret]

i figured it out. had my file name in a spot it didnt need to be i nthe EDU. TYVM for your help