The Hardest Campaign?

[PrestigeX]

Hey everyone,

I am wondering what people have to say about "The Hardest Campaign"

Can be a mod or otherwise, but what I am looking to find out is which Faction/and in which 'game' will you find the Hardest fight to survive?

- the key thing I'd look for would be,
1 - not the best roster / very poor roster in the beginning 50 turns or more.
2 - Not the best lands
3 - Most important -- facing enemies who are overwhelming, extremely strong, and/or with excellent rosters.


I'd love to find a game where England is crazy strong with armor swords and longbows and bills everywhere, or the Turks with an empire and mass ranks of their best armies coming to get me etc..

But I often found these factions who have that potential to be a Great enemy / challenge, don't do so much in the game -- England will have generic " couple knights and masses of Militia" armies, the Turks -- even worse off..

Maybe my fellow players here have some recommendations or ideas about "The Hardest Campaign" ?

thx

[Highlander of Scotland]

scotland ss early real recruitment is quite hard. or kwhazerims late, ss again

[Maklodes]

How about a Tlaxcalan campaign on vh/vh? The only reason the Aztecs haven't conquered you is because they'd rather keep fighting wars against you so that they can sacrifice the PoWs.

[lampros69]

scotland ss early real recruitment is quite hard. or kwhazerims late, ss again

What makes Kwaherims hard in late-game?

[puddingkip]

What makes Kwaherims hard in late-game?

The fact that the Mongol invasion starts on turn 1.
In your land, with you as their enemy

[lampros69]

The fact that the Mongol invasion starts on turn 1.
In your land, with you as their enemy

Ah, ok; I had not played that faction yet (actually, I have only played England in SS); so I had no clue!

[phred]

Russia has a tough start.
weak infantry, little cash, and the Mongols and Timurids may beeline for Russian lands.
Perhaps some mods have made their start even harder.

[totalwar_legend]

Russia has a tough start.
weak infantry, little cash, and the Mongols and Timurids may beeline for Russian lands.
Perhaps some mods have made their start even harder.

Russia is great. Yes they have weak infantry, but their cavalry rocks. Cavalry are the units to be using anyway.

[Kataphractos]

Kind of annoying though, especially since unlike Europe or the Middle East around Jerusalem, their cities/castles are often 2+ turns of movement away from each other, meaning a relieving force sent to a besieged city might not make it in time.

[totalwar_legend]

Kind of annoying though, especially since unlike Europe or the Middle East around Jerusalem, their cities/castles are often 2+ turns of movement away from each other, meaning a relieving force sent to a besieged city might not make it in time.

That's why you build watch towers at your borders and forts at choke points like river crossing. Buys you all the time you need.

[PrestigeX]

Hmm - Tlaxacans - that is interesting, I never played the Americas campaign except for 30 turns as the Spanish. -- Playing as the Natives, I'd easily be able to kill the spanish but fighting Aztecs and Mayans might actually be tougher said than done.

S.S. Scotland -- hmm, well it's on my list to get S.S. when (rather IF) the 7.0 is released --


As for Russia -- I think they are very strong, despite the belief that they "start weak" there are aspects to their roster and tech-tree that make them especially effective earlier in the game than many of their neighbours.

[Rero]

As for Russia -- I think they are very strong, despite the belief that they "start weak" there are aspects to their roster and tech-tree that make them especially effective earlier in the game than many of their neighbours.

Spamming kazaks...

[Sir Adrian]

Turks in the vanilla Crusades campaign.

[Sitalkes]

Turks in the vanilla Crusades campaign.

Yes, that really is hard, your opponents can walk through your army at the start of the game (takes a long time to get any heavy units), your armies are spread all over the place, they mutiny pretty much immedately becaus you don't have any money, and your provinces are in small blocks that are surrounded by enemies. Makes me want to play it again! I hadn't played a horse archer army before - the battles require new tactics and really push your abilities.

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

S.S. Scotland -- hmm, well it's on my list to get S.S. when (rather IF) the 7.0 is released --

That will be a long wait man, the SS team is inactive for the most part I believe. Also, Scotland is pretty easy, but gets boring because of the small roster. Try the Khwarezmian late campaign, you have to beat back the Mongol invasion right off the bat.

[Dude with the Food]

- the key thing I'd look for would be,
1 - not the best roster / very poor roster in the beginning 50 turns or more.
2 - Not the best lands
3 - Most important -- facing enemies who are overwhelming, extremely strong, and/or with excellent rosters.

With the editing I put in there, that is the definition of OotMM in TATW. Anybody who has played them knows that.


In vanilla, I can never get a good start with the Turks. When I finally get solid, the Mongols appear and I start again.

[Merchant of Venice]

Norway in the Britiannia campaign. You only start off with one or two island provinces and you have to rely on the scripted reinforcements. Plus you have a bad economy.

[totalwar_legend]

Norway in the Britiannia campaign. You only start off with one or two island provinces and you have to rely on the scripted reinforcements. Plus you have a bad economy.

Norway is easy. You take your main force near ireland and take Dublin off England on turn 2. Established + money.

Nothing wrong with scripted reinforcements.

[MartinMcMartin]

hi all,

for me a good migration does the trick. harder than any normal campaign with any faction.

P.E. take Portugal to Antioch. once city is taken, let your only fort Oporto go barb. that is a tough one, 15 turns behind in building, no money, no army, surrounded by enemies that want your lands!

try also denmark to thessaloniki, scotland to novgorod or cairo, russia (vanilla) to constantinople (by boat!) or whatever u like to do. the best ones are where you have to sail the furthest!

Mc

[mbchudno]

MartinMcMartin , at your suggestion, I tried Russia to Holy Lands.... It was easy. Just need to do two things and god knows you have plenty of time to do them since you sail over for so long.

1) Ally with Pop to avoid Crusades.
2) Ally with Egypt to keep them off your back while you take middle-eastern cities, reinforce your armies and recover positive cash-flow since you will come with crappy armies and probably in negative money. That alliance is very temporary but without it, Egypt attacks and you cant afford to defend cities and take over rebel towns at the same time.

Then you can piggyback on crusader's armies and take Egypt out in quick sweep. Take a bit of damage to reputation when taking down Egypt and sacking their cities (could probably wait and they would attack eventually), but by then you should have good ally base so you can easily recover that.

After that game gets boringly easy. Same deal as with Iberia. Russia's troops are just too evil.

hi all,
for me a good migration does the trick. harder than any normal campaign with any faction..............the best ones are where you have to sail the furthest!
Mc