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    Hi guys,

    I want to share a theory that has been in my mind since I finished ADWD. I will not enter in details for now, i want you to critic and discuss what you think about it.

    Here it goes: after reading Branīs chapters when he meets Brynden Rivers (Bloodraven) and when he first wargs into a heartree he sees things of the past, the present and even visions of the future. Branīs powers has been growing since the first book and hes becoming the greatest greenseer ever.

    I have a strong feeling that Bran will be able to travel in time, i donīt know with what purpose but Im pretty sure he is Brandom the builder. Yes, I have this in mind since i finished the book and never hear about this theory so Im posting it here.

    Feel free to critic this amazing theory and no I donīt consum any drugs.

    Sorry for my bad english.
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    Hmm. Not quite sure there's any hard evidence for it, have to say Why Brandon the Builder out of all the many Brandon's in the Stark line?
    My thoughts on Bran center around what his "powers" will end up being. We don't really know what the Three Eyed Raven (/Bloodraven) is capable of do we? Clearly Bran now has the power to see through all the Heart Trees into the past as well as present, and there is the one instance of him making vague contact with Theon at Winterfell (or making Ned look up at the leaves rustling), but presumably he will learn more. What is the link between the Last Greenseer and the Old Gods? What is the aim of the Children of the Forest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorvusCorax View Post
    Hmm. Not quite sure there's any hard evidence for it, have to say Why Brandon the Builder out of all the many Brandon's in the Stark line?
    My thoughts on Bran center around what his "powers" will end up being. We don't really know what the Three Eyed Raven (/Bloodraven) is capable of do we? Clearly Bran now has the power to see through all the Heart Trees into the past as well as present, and there is the one instance of him making vague contact with Theon at Winterfell (or making Ned look up at the leaves rustling), but presumably he will learn more. What is the link between the Last Greenseer and the Old Gods? What is the aim of the Children of the Forest?
    I know there is no evidence, its just that this idea come to my mind with much strenght. I agree that his powers will grow even more, but as you said he made a vague contact with Theon and Ned, if we take this and conbine with the fact that Bran can already warg into people (just Hodor for now but lets see), the result is a great magical power to manipulate people at his will.

    I think Bran is here to helping to fight against the others. And that includes fighting them wherever they are throught all the years in westeros history, after all why GRRM would show us him "travelling in the time line"? Maybe he has to warg into a man who later will become the first Lord of Winterfell and king of winter.
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    Default Re: SPOILERS ALL BOOKS A theory about Bran Stark ...

    Like Corvus said, there's no hard evidence. It's not really a theory since it's pretty loose. You're just taking a guess, not based on anything


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    I doubt he will be able to simply "skip back in time", however your thoughts hold value. I had not thought of it. As Corvus stated, he seems to be able to make both Ned and Theon to some degree notice "his presence".

    I doubt it, but it could be that he influences the different buildingprojects that Brandon the Builder took part of (if he existed). We shall see.
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    I've no doubt Bran has an important roll ahead of him but there is no evidence to say he is Bran The Builder as there have been countless Brandon Starks in history. He may come into great powers and the ability to see things via the heart trees but i doubt very much that he can take physical form in the past, he is more of an all seeing "presence" with a "higher calling" vibe going on. (Maybe he will reveal some of the unanswered questions that time has forgot?)

    So no i don't think so, a nice idea but one without a tiny bit of evidence.

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    I think if he can travel in time, he'll be only able to witness the past, not alter it. And only in areas where the old gods have power (Places with the trees)
    If he could alter the past, there's just far to much story breaking potential that GRRM would have to avoid it.

    It's definitely a interesting idea, but as said, the potential to kill the story set up is just too great of a risk.

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    gives bran an active role while staying true to the theme of his chapters. This is cool theory (is a theory!) My only problem is Bran doesnt show any innate skill at building or engineering.

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    Default Re: SPOILERS ALL BOOKS A theory about Bran Stark ...

    Quote Originally Posted by RayFinkle View Post
    gives bran an active role while staying true to the theme of his chapters. This is cool theory (is a theory!) My only problem is Bran doesnt show any innate skill at building or engineering.
    He hasnīt any skill, but he has been educated as a noble child so he will know the basics, i think maester Luwin has teached him more than maths or laws. However a lord has never built a castle without architects and masons, I donīt think Bran the builder built the wall by his own hands. It is said that the wall was founded with the help of giants and forest children.

    He also knows every stone, tower and hall of winterfell as he shows in the first book when he climbs the walls until Jaime Lannister threw him. And it is described that Winterfell has not suffer any change for centuries, the castle is the same that it was in the age of heroes. Maybe Bran built it as he remember it on his mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayFinkle View Post
    gives bran an active role while staying true to the theme of his chapters. This is cool theory (is a theory!) My only problem is Bran doesnt show any innate skill at building or engineering.
    Maybe Brahn takes an architecture course for several years, with perhaps repeating a couple of times due to harsh grades given by teachers. Finally after a lot of hard work studying, Brahn becomes a master architect.
    Using his new found archtecture skills (after travelling through time) Brahn sets off to build Winterfell and The Wall.
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    Where exactly is Bran going to be doing this architecture course....?

    His "spoilers" are the other details he gives away, i.e. where Bran ends up at the end of the books thus far. Putting that in the thread title also gives others posting in the thread safety to discuss events from the later books without worrying that someone might read their post without knowing there could be spoilers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorvusCorax View Post
    Where exactly is Bran going to be doing this architecture course....?
    Valyria Uni? I am sure there might be a few universities open to those of noble birth in the era Brandon will time travel to.
    His "spoilers" are the other details he gives away, i.e. where Bran ends up at the end of the books thus far. Putting that in the thread title also gives others posting in the thread safety to discuss events from the later books without worrying that someone might read their post without knowing there could be spoilers.
    I see where you are getting at, it is just sometimes when reading GoT spoilers they can seem as silly and farfetched as Simpsons plotlines (The Lannisters are going to Essos!), and the way they are often delivered leaves a lot of room for imagination. But yeah even knowing the existance of other
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    in the Black Company series besides Croaker sort of ruined the twist when another character took up the pen.

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    I think he is there to show us stuff from the past. We all know that Martin will never make a prelude other than Dunk and Egg and so he can use Bran to give us important info about the past, such as the War of the Dawn, Robert's Rebellion, and etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Forgotten View Post
    I think he is there to show us stuff from the past. We all know that Martin will never make a prelude other than Dunk and Egg and so he can use Bran to give us important info about the past, such as the War of the Dawn, Robert's Rebellion, and etc.
    I have a feeling this will be how he's used on the HBO show as well. Since they don't do flashbacks in the strict sense, I could see him being the one who sees what happened at the Tower of Joy. He may even hold that role in the books as well if R+L holds true it could be Bran who reveals it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Forgotten View Post
    I think he is there to show us stuff from the past. We all know that Martin will never make a prelude other than Dunk and Egg and so he can use Bran to give us important info about the past, such as the War of the Dawn, Robert's Rebellion, and etc.
    Or the Long Night, learning valuable intel on how to effectively counter the Others and their wight minions. Or even to the defense of Westeros by the First Men and Children against the initial and unrecorded incursions of the Valyrian legions and learn how to warg into a dragon enabling him to alter the balance of power in the present considerably.
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    Here's the thing - even if he could travell in time he would still be unable to walk. So I can't say I agree with you. I just think that we will learn the truth about the tourney of Harrenhall, the ToJ and R+L=J through Bran.

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    Default Re: SPOILERS ALL BOOKS A theory about Bran Stark ...

    Although i don't think bran will alter the past,i believe he will go back in time he could possibly warg from his tree into the person praying before it, Thus enabling him to make sure the others are defeated in the past(or building the wall or anything of that sort).

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