Mormon Religion

[Kscott]

I have to say, this religion disgusts me.

I was having a conversation with two Mormon friends and (as usual) I asked them asanine questions on their religion.

I asked what was the Mormon stance on homosexuals. Apparently homosexuality is not genetic it is simply something that people do in evil and can be turned away from. If one is homosexual and does not change ones way they are kicked out of the Church and promised a cozy spot in hell.

Then a few days latter we were having a conversation about the history of the chruch extra and they explained how their Church was different. We were arguing the points of mainstream christianity and Mormon and I said agree to disagree, and they just stared at me like I was burning in hell already. They also pointed out my religion was the false one and theres was definatly the right one.

Overall I find the Mormon faith to be very intolerant and intolerance disgusts me. Maybe all Mormons are not like this, but you guys must remember, this is from personal experience.

[vizi]

*Yawn*

What is new? There are all sorts of loony religions out there. Just leave them to their delusions and you will find yourself a much happier person.

[Kscott]

*Yawn*

What is new? There are all sorts of loony religions out there. Just leave them to their delusions and you will find yourself a much happier person.

The problem is Mormonism seems so moral upright from the outside, but the more you hear of the religion the more terrible its morals seem.

[victor.]

why mormons think their religion is right;

jesus gave john the baptist priesthood authority
then john gave it to the biggest con-man of the century.
and they have a priesthood tree leading all the way up to jack@$$ smith himself

their arguement towards mainstream christianity is "well, who gave that church the authority? who gave the priest authority?"
hmm, sounds reminiscent? oh, like iunno...medieval christianity?

anywho, their whole religion is based on ignorance.

ohwell, atleast i got to voice my opinion before the stampeed of atheists

[Kscott]

why mormons think their religion is right;

Of course they think theirs is right, but I would never dream of telling someone my religous beliefs are right and theirs wrongs. That is just so messed up.

[MaximiIian]

Their beliefs have been more or less disproved, really. The native americans aren't "lost tribes" of israelis. They're descended from asiatic migrants who crossed the Bering land bridge some 10,000 years ago.
But, yeah, as your personal experiences shows, Mormonism does seem to be a bit more intolerant than some other sects.

[boofhead]

Well their story is very strange. Israelites travelled on foot to China then built another ark to go the the Americas. Jesus visited the Americas. Joseph Smith & the angel MORONi etc. Their Book speaks of horses & chariots etc. It is well-known that there were no horses in the Americas until the Conquistadores. And where are the ruins?

Maybe I should write a manuscript detailing the Israelite's journeys to Australia, and just write it in the accepted 'biblical' style and start my own church. And notice the names Smith mentions in his Book are either (1) directly taken from the bible or (2) totally invented with NO ETYMOLOGICAL Hebrew link at all. My book would be even better than his, because I own a comprehensive biblical concordance and could research Hebrew names and such. Joseph Smith, just like other so called 'prophets', was a LIAR.

Apart from their annoying door-knocking in-your-face Jehovah's Witness style spreading of the word, these people are almost universally upright (if deluded) members of society.

[Sétanta]

The fact that it is a false religion has much to do with it. False religions tend to be extremist so they actually have a following. Even if you are atheist you can agree that they are a bunch of nutjobs.

I recently recieved this Email from my friend. It is about why Joseph Smith is a false prophet and thus Mormonism a Cult, if not a totally false religion.

Christian Bible:
Deuteronomy 18:22 says, If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

The Book of Mormon:
On September 1, 1842, Joseph Smith said, for to this day has the God of my fathers delivered me out of them all, and will deliver me from henceforth; for behold, and lo, I shall triumph over all my enemies, for the Lord God hath spoken it. (Doctrine and Covenants, 127:2).

The last phrase for the Lord God hath spoken it, indicates that this is prophecy. Here, Smith has prophesied that God would allow him to triumph over all his enemies. Less than two years later, these same enemies stormed the Carthage, Illinois jail where Smith was imprisoned and shot him dead. Smith tried to fight back, shooting 3 of his assailants and killing 2 with a pistol smuggled in to him, but his enemies triumphed. This is a false prophecy. By the litmus test, we have already shown Smith to be a false prophet. For arguments sake, however, lets explore some more.


Joseph Smith was also interested in the second coming of Jesus Christ. So much so, that he tried to peg Christs return to a particular year 1891. Smith said, It is the will of the Lord that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was night even fifty-six years, should wind up the scene.

(The History of the Church, vol II, page 182). Zion here refers to Jackson County, Missouri not to Israel. Given the context in which this was said, the fifty-six year time frame would place the return of Jesus on or before February 14, 1891. Many Mormon periodicals demonstrated that zealous Mormons were anxiously awaiting the fulfillment of that prophecy. February 14, 1891 came and went with no second coming. It was truly a disappointing Valentines Day for many faithful Mormons. Strike three on Smith.

Strike one against Joseph Smith constitutes a strikeout on his claim of being a prophet.

See also Isaiah 8:20 and 9:15 on false prophets: if what a prophet says is different from the law, it is because there is "no light in" him; a prophet that teaches lies will be "cut off."


Comp Hist 1:165. This is contradictory in concept to the Deuteronomy 18:22 test, which says that the failure of the test indicates that the prophet is false. Joseph Smith here implies that the prophecy may be false, but the prophet himself is apparently still a prophet. One might ask then, what good is a prophet?


SALE OF BOOK OF MORMON COPYRIGHT: Winter 1829-1830. Comp Hist 1:165 Joseph had a revelation that Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery were to go to Toronto to sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon to raise money.


FULFILLMENT: They went, according to the revelation, but were completely unsuccessful. Joseph Smith "inquired of God" and was told that some "revelations" are not from God. David Whitmer reports this incident in his book An Address To All Believers In Christ, Richmond, 1887, photo reprinting by Utah Lighthouse Ministry, pp 30-31. (See the comment above on the test of a true prophecy.)

Dec 10, 1833. HC 1:455. Joseph Smith tells the saints that they should retain their lands in Missouri and seek legal redress against their enemies. If they should not obtain it, God will avenge them with "ten thousand of his Saints" and all their adversaries would be destroyed.


FULFILLMENT: The Mormons lost all their lands in Missouri; they did seek legal redress but were unsuccessful; their enemies were not destroyed; their wrongs were not avenged; the Mormons were driven out of Missouri.

Dec 16, 1833. D&C 101:17-20 Zion (Missouri) shall not be moved out of its place; the Saints will receive their inheritance there, and there is no other place than Missouri appointed by God for the gathering of the Saints. (LIES all LIES)



Spring 1834. Joseph Smith prophesies to the members of Zion's Camp that "within three years they should march to Jackson County and there should not be a dog to open his mouth against them." Reed Peck Manuscript p. 3 [cited in Tanner, The Mormon Kingdom 1:4]


FULFILLMENT: Zion's Camp was organized but utterly failed and it disbanded in July. Cholera decimated them and the campaign did not restore the saints to their homes. They did not return as Zion's Camp. The Mormons continued to encounter fierce opposition. The Mormons never prevailed against their enemies. (Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel through the Ages, p. 282, "Reed Peck Manuscript" p. 3; HC 3:xxxix [cited in Tanner, The Mormon Kingdom 1:4].


JOSEPH SMITH IS A FALSE PROPHET, there are tons and tons of more prophecies that were not fulfilled... HE EVEN SAID THAT some of his prophecies might not be fulfilled... But what does the ORIGINAL WORD OF GOD STATE?


Deuteronomy 18:22 says, If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

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[Mathias]

The fact that it is a false religion has much to do with it. False religions tend to be extremist so they actually have a following. Even if you are atheist you can agree that they are a bunch of nutjobs.

Of course atheists can agree on that, why shouldnt they?

[MasterOfNone]

I think you will find that most churches or belief systems ("religious" or not) make some claim to truth or superiority. Indeed, it would be somewhat strange to take a position that you did not believe to be right. Some of the above posters, for example, are expressing certain beliefs with as much certainty as those who hold opposing beliefs, including the aforementioned Mormons.

To, as I know some do, make a claim that an organization is intolerant because it teaches that is has "the" truth is a specific area (be it religious, scientific, historical etc.) is not altogether sound reasoning. Intolerance, or what most mean when they use that term negatively, has reference to attitude and not belief. And there are people on all sides of all fences with the wrong attitude. I am most of us have been guilty of that.

The teachings found in the "Mormon" Church are some of the most liberty-respecting principles you will ever find and the freedom to choose is at the core of those teachings. And, as with any private organization, the Church is quite within its rights to set the standards of membership - and everyone quite free to join, never join or leave when they want within the framework of those standards.

The thing with what is false and true is that people in the main will not let go of pre-conceived ideas. All that exists is evidence - not proof (and that includes popular scientific interpretations of such evidence). The only question is, does there exist a way that one may know what is true for himself? If there is, then it should be sought after: if there is not, then it does not matter - but then how can one know there is no way to find it?

I believe in a God who is offended by, and intolerant of, sin - not for the sake of it, but for our sakes. Sin harms us, and He knows that. I believe in a God who is not intolerant of us, His children. He wants us to change, to become better; to overcome sin. This should be our feeling - love the sinner (which is us all) and hate the sin.

I have had the pleasure of meeting with many LDS members over the years and I should like to say that they are, by and large, among the finest, happiest, healthiest, most respectful, sensible, caring, practical and intelligent of people I have ever had the opportunity to know.

[Shaun]

The fact that it is a false religion has much to do with it. False religions tend to be extremist so they actually have a following. Even if you are atheist you can agree that they are a bunch of nutjobs.

Mormonism, like every other religion, has not been proven true yet, so how you can say that its a false religion is beyond me. Although it is hugely likely to be false, like all other religions, it cannot be assumed to be false if you are going to assume your religion is true when they are both as (un)likely to be false.
The fact that they are extremist means nothing with regards to the falseness of thier religion as well.

[LegionnaireX]

Lol I just watched a South Park episode on Mormons. It was hilarious so I looked it up on the internet to see what parts of it were actually true. Now always knew that most people thought mormons were a little crazy but I wasn't sure why. Turns out they believe some Israelites crossed the Pacific in boats into North America and that native americans are the possible decedant "tribes" of these Israelites. Enough said.

Although it is hugely likely to be false, like all other religions, it cannot be assumed to be false if you are going to assume your religion is true when they are both as (un)likely to be false.

I disagree. At least the three mainstream religions make historical in their context. Mormonism is just strange.

[Sétanta]

Mormonism, like every other religion, has not been proven true yet, so how you can say that its a false religion is beyond me. Although it is hugely likely to be false, like all other religions, it cannot be assumed to be false if you are going to assume your religion is true when they are both as (un)likely to be false.
The fact that they are extremist means nothing with regards to the falseness of thier religion as well.

In the Christian mind, Mormonism is not only a false religion, but one that basically damns all its members to hell (blaspheming the name of Christ).

Christianity at least has some classical historical accurate parts to it, even if you don't believe in the miracles of Christ or his ressurection, you surely can agree that he lived and was crucified. Mormonism is just...so incredibly not historically accurate that it is slightly scary to think that they actually believe that.

At least Scientology was creative.

[Kscott]

think you will find that most churches or belief systems ("religious" or not) make some claim to truth or superiority.

Of course, but to tell almost mock friends claiming your religion is right and theirs is wrong is not something most religous people would do. And not agreeing to disagree is something I can never understand.

Mormons do lack any substance abuse and follow a strict value code, but I would not say they are they happiest people. Its almost like living life as a robot.

[MasterOfNone]

Yes, kscott, that's my point (or one of them) - regardless of our beliefs we should not mock others for their beliefs.

One of the reasons why "freedom to choose" is so important in the Gospel that the LDS teach is that it is only through the volition of your own will that you can grow. The robot mentality so prevalent in the world today is certainly one that runs contrary to the whole purpose of growth and, by extension, happiness. It's about teaching correct principles, and allowing people to govern themselves.

[Shaun]

In the Christian mind, Mormonism is not only a false religion, but one that basically damns all its members to hell (blaspheming the name of Christ).

Christianity at least has some classical historical accurate parts to it, even if you don't believe in the miracles of Christ or his ressurection, you surely can agree that he lived and was crucified. Mormonism is just...so incredibly not historically accurate that it is slightly scary to think that they actually believe that.

True, im not defending Mormonism though, I actually have a very low opinion of members of that religion too, and hate to think that they do it in Jesus Christs name...

[Richard the Lionheart]

you surely can agree that he lived and was crucified.

Well actually, neither of those two parts are proven facts either....

Mormonism is just...so incredibly not historically accurate that it is slightly scary to think that they actually believe that.

There is a lot of historical inaccuracy in all Christian denominations, if not Christianity itself.

[Shaun]

Well actually, neither of those two parts are proven facts either....

If you are going to go down the proven facts line, then no religions, no gods are proven facts either. Jesus's cricification and life is far more likely to have been true, and in no way is illogical and goes against well proven science (well appart from his rise from the dead).

There is a lot of historical inaccuracy in all Christian denominations, if not Christianity itself.

Your not making sense, how can Christianity as a whole be hostorically accurate when you admit that all the denominations are not historically accurate.

[LegionnaireX]

Well actually, neither of those two parts are proven facts either....

There is a lot more in history than the crucifixion that aren't proven facts. If you need a historical event to be a proven fact to believe in it you can throw out quite a bit of ancient history.

[Kscott]

There is a lot of historical inaccuracy in all Christian denominations, if not Christianity itself.

What a blank statement. I highly doubt you can actually back up such claims.