Mod Support for Rome 2

[GideonAI]

Just in case you missed it in the massive wall of Total War tweets yesterday, here is a CA employee on mod support for Rome 2:

https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/324267200611508225
https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/324266933329481728

Sounds pretty hopeful, doesn't it?

[Sharpe]

If you like mods yes.

I would rather see more time put into game features, but hey.

[Augustus Scipius]

I am a little confused by the second one. First they stated that there will be no campaign deadline anymore, yet they say there are no plans for a campaign where there is no time limit and where you try to outlast your opponents

But great that they will support modding at least to some degree.

[Murfmurf]

They'll support it to some small degree but don't expect much and don't expect it straight away.

Modding reduces their income through less DLC sales. After all, why spend £5 when you can get a mod that does the same thing for free?

I hope I'm proved wrong, but this has been the case since Empire, and that's when they started DLC.

[Will CA]

They'll support it to some small degree but don't expect much and don't expect it straight away.

Modding reduces their income through less DLC sales. After all, why spend £5 when you can get a mod that does the same thing for free?

I hope I'm proved wrong, but this has been the case since Empire, and that's when they started DLC.

We have a long term commitment to the modding, but right now everyone is working 110% on ROME II, so we are a ways away from talking about post launch support.

Also, please have a look over the coverage from the modding summit, as it pretty much answers your point in more detail.

[Anna_Gein]

Hi Will CA.

Does the first tweet means campaign map editor tutorial or battle map editor tutorial ?

[Muizer]

We have a long term commitment to the modding, but right now everyone is working 110% on ROME II, so we are a ways away from talking about post launch support.

Also, please have a look over the coverage from the modding summit, as it pretty much answers your point in more detail.

But isn't mod-support something you have account for during the development of the actual game?

[nameless]

They'll support it to some small degree but don't expect much and don't expect it straight away.

Modding reduces their income through less DLC sales. After all, why spend £5 when you can get a mod that does the same thing for free?

Is there any actual proof that modding reduces income at all?

Can modders actually make brand new DLC campaigns with new maps including cinematics and all that?

Can modders actually make something that the average joe enjoys? I haven't touched mods at all since ETW.

I hope I'm proved wrong, but this has been the case since Empire, and that's when they started DLC.

I'm more curious as to what led people to believe that CA is the only company in the world that does DLC despite the fact that this is a trend that a lot of companies have moved into.

People like you make it sound like CA cranks out DLC like there's no problem. Compared to other companies it's extremely small the amount of DLC they produce.

On that matter, with STEAM and the use of the workshop modding will be there regardless since we can all share and distribute our own mods.

[Murfmurf]

We have a long term commitment to the modding, but right now everyone is working 110% on ROME II, so we are a ways away from talking about post launch support.

Also, please have a look over the coverage from the modding summit, as it pretty much answers your point in more detail.

Thanks for the response, Will. Not having a dig, real excited for R2, just hoping for moddability on the level we enjoyed with M2/RTW.

Is there any actual proof that modding reduces income at all?

Yes, by following a logical path to its conclusion. Free content means people are less likely to spend.

Can modders actually make brand new DLC campaigns with new maps including cinematics and all that?

Erm, of course. Obvious examples: Roma Surrectum 2, Europa Barbarorum, Stainless Steel, Third Age, Broken Crescent. All have new maps. Cinematics have never been a crucial part of a TW game, so it's a pretty negligible point.

Can modders actually make something that the average joe enjoys? I haven't touched mods at all since ETW.

You kinda proved my point there, bud

I hope I'm proved wrong, but this has been the case since Empire, and that's when they started DLC.

[nameless]

You kinda proved my point there, bud

No you didn't.

I tried several of the mods but for once I actually enjoyed the vanilla better.Darthmod for one made decent ones but I didn't like the changes he made.

All those RTW mods you listed were great but even they had limitations. Not to mention as time passed on it wasn't worth dealing with those major mods because of the amount of time the modders were taking into it (No offense mind you I'm just saying that things move so quickly people in general don't want)

It was only in RTW where I didn't like the Vanilla version.

MTW2...was MTW2

And for the record, I never have ever bought any DLC from CA at all because the quality of the vanilla was improving past ETW.

doesn't sound too bad, maybe we will have some adequate mod support after all
all a man can do is hope and pray

So to all of you people the Assembly kit and workshop that allows modders to easily make and distribute mods to everyone else means absolutely nothing to you?

At least give CA credit where it's due. If they weren't serious about modding those things wouldn't even exist to begin with.

Making Total War games similar to like Skyrim with the mod workshop means more people who aren't as mod-savvy as others will be able to download your mods right at the click of a button and you're still complaining that CA doesn't care at all.

[oOIYvYIOo]

Modding reduces their income through less DLC sales. After all, why spend £5 when you can get a mod that does the same thing for free?

With all the respect for CA and involved , Modding work was,is and it will always be alot better, here on TWC , than any DLC .
And DLC´s do not have nothing to do with the work doen with modds.
And in teory "DLC´s" came in Shogun with Mongol invasion.

People look here on TWC for mod due they want a more epic TW game ,a more realistic a more long campaign .Ive seen campaigns that took months and some a year !
And CA or SEGA or TW or whoever decids , continues to ignore this fact and distance themselves from the biggest and the most loyal TW comunity they have ,TWC comunity.

Of course i know that without TW we wouldnt be here and im your fan number one ,but during this years (specially with what hapened with shogun 2) i turn more to modds.
I ,and judging by the posts here some thousands also, prefer to play any mod (games with years reaching almost a decade) here on TWC than a FotS campaign,for example. This shouldnt never happen in my opinion if i would work on CA .

[Little Legionaire]

Modding reduces their income through less DLC sales. After all, why spend £5 when you can get a mod that does the same thing for free?

Modding in fact raises their income. Just look at the Elder Scrolls series! Skyrim for example... Modding extends the life of any game, enriches the gameplay experience for free. Free for gamers and free for the company as well. A smart real smart developer does the same thing and follow the footsteps of Bethesda. That's why i expect the mod tools with the release the day one and constant support for our brilliant community.

[DaciaJC]

Modding in fact raises their income. Just look at the Elder Scrolls series!

Or Arma/DayZ.

Of course, that's something of an exceptional example, but it goes to show that modding, far from reducing their income, has the potential to boost it.

[Murfmurf]

No you didn't.

Yeah you did, read what I said and self-quoted. You said you hadn't played mods since ETW, and I said when ETW came out modding went downhill, that's the point.

Modding in fact raises their income. Just look at the Elder Scrolls series! Skyrim for example... Modding extends the life of any game, enriches the gameplay experience for free. Free for gamers and free for the company as well. A smart real smart developer does the same thing and follow the footsteps of Bethesda. That's why i expect the mod tools with the release the day one and constant support for our brilliant community.

I was more pointing to modding detracting from DLC sales, rather than the main game, which would have to be sold for modding to begin in the first place. But fair points nonetheless chap.

[Little Legionaire]

Modding reduces their income through less DLC sales. After all, why spend £5 when you can get a mod that does the same thing for free?

Modding in fact raises their income. Just look at the Elder Scrolls series! Skyrim for example...

Modding extends the life of any game, enriches the gameplay experience for free. Free for gamers and free for the company as well. A smart real smart developer does the same thing and follow the footsteps of Bethesda. That's why i expect the mod tools with the release the day one and constant support for our brilliant community. Timing for the tools are essential indeed. Shogun tools were too late, Empire and Napoleon were even worst

[spartan_warrior]

I expect we will see mod support again, something along the lines of the Assembly Kit will probably with be released. But as with Shogun 2, I would not expect it right away, likely not until after all the major DLC has been released.

[totaltotalwar]

I'm almost sure that we'll have modding tools the same way we have in Shogun 2.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

Without modding support CA will eventually lose the gaming communitys interest (for each game), and be forced to release more and more new titles just to satisfy the mob.

Take Rome 1 for example; to date I am STILL modding it quite happily, and although my work is very minor it still attracts quite a few downloads......

Now take a big mod like SS, RSII or TATW. Just check their communities online to see how popular they are. Whats more, there are quite a significant number of people who only buy the vanilla games in order to try out the mods available for them.

Second point - I haven't played Empire in well over a year. My RTW/MTW1/STW1/M2TW hours are easily well over 2000 logged each (yes I'm that sociable).... yet my Napoleon game is about 18 hours.

There's a reason for that.... and it's not because I dislike the period. I just hope that the Creative Assembly allow us the chance to get our greedy wee hands on the campaign map/AI/diplomacy/units etc, and allow us to mod it.

They already make great games, but they just need to let us make them that bit better

[AngryTitusPullo]

There's a reason for that.... and it's not because I dislike the period. I just hope that the Creative Assembly allow us the chance to get our greedy wee hands on the campaign map/AI/diplomacy/units etc, and allow us to mod it.

You know that with Assembly Kit you can actually do that ?

[fightermedic]

doesn't sound too bad, maybe we will have some adequate mod support after all
all a man can do is hope and pray