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    Playing Rome on m/m and its the year 601 AUC when I've finally managed to destroy the Gallaeci. I've heard Iberia probably isn't the best place to start your first conquest but after taking Genoa and defeating Hannibal's army, the rag-tad General scumbered all the way back to Spain with what was left of his army and not wanting him to escape I sent over legion after legion to finish him off. Having eventually slaughtered the man and with all the soldiers I now had in Spain and while holding Emporiea , Sagunton and Carthago Nova I thought it was time for conquest andI went on to to start the hardest war I ever fought in any TW game against the Gallaeci.

    For every full stack I defeated at least 3 would take it's place. I remember after one of my offensive legions was annihilated trying to make headway into central Spain the Gallaeci make a counter attack with 3 full stacks besieging both Carthago Nova and Sagunton while another 7000 soldiers besieged Emporiae. I was down to roughly 3 pretty battered legions but luckily I had two young promising generals on 4 star command, Publius Cornelius Scipio who's father was killed fighting Hannibal and Publius C. Merula. After the Gallaeci eventually brought their towers to my walls they threw wave after wave of Roman-Hating barbarians up those towers and ladders only to be cut down while my archers and skirmishers rained hell down on those yet to ascend. It was a massacre. At both C. Nova and Sagunton combined maybe 24,000 Iberians were killed while I only lost a fraction of this, my own casualties numbered 2200 approx. At Emporiae it was the same dooming fate for the homeside. With what forces I had left however I only had enough to garrison what I had fought so hard to keep. Luckily I had sent word for reinforcements and soon enough two full fresh legions touched spanish soil. I went on to conquer Baikor and Varela and the young Scipio earned a name for himself as a 'Legendary Commander'. He also was named Senatus Princeps and Faction Leader taking the right of succession away from the Fabian family. But despite all the glory the conquering hero Scipio was not conquering quick enough and at 59 years of age my glorious general the Defender of The Republic died to none other than some unseen sickness that no herbalist or medical man could fight off. I had hoped he would have had at least another 10 years left in him.

    With no other charismatic leader to inspire the eastern half of Iberia which was slowly beginning to identify itself more and more with Rome, the westeren Gallaici began to press hard yet again. Rome's treasury was emptied. Years of funding Scipio's conquest had dwindled those reserves while trying to build a navy to cut off Carthage's shipping lanes and also raise legions to garrison against the increasingly aggressive Averni tribes who despite a turbulent past with the Belgae now seemed to be co-operating with the growing threat of those Northern hordes who also thought it in their interest to invade Rome.

    It was at this point in the campaign that I seriously did not know what to do. Should I spend what was left of my strained treasury to pump out armies of foreign auxilaries recruited from the newly Roman cities around Spain to finish off the Gallaeci once and for all? And then set up strongholds at Emporiae and Gadir to blockade any invasive excursions into Iberia while leaving the Northern borders of Italy vulnerable? Or.. Should I neglect over 55 years of war in Spain and turn my attentions back to Italy and sponsor a huge campaign into Gaul to rid our lands of the threat of the pillaging masses of the Gauls and the Belgae.

    The growing influence of Scipio's young son convinced me that there was still a man to take the reins in Spain so I decided to go with my instincts and finish the Gallaeci. Having imported siege ballista from Rome itself for the blitzkrieg campaign young Scipio led an army of 10,000 across plains of Northern Spain and massacred the last resistance to Roman rule in all of the peninsula. Having devestated his own army in the process he is now the Governor of all Spain and is in the process of pacifying those under Clent State Rule that they should accept the Roman way of life. Lusitanian and Caetrati mercenaries are being recruited to maintain order in the extreme west of Spain while garrisons are being built and heavily defended at Emporiea to deter the Averni while more forces are being raised in the South to block off the pass at Gadir from the Carthaginians.

    Despite these victories Rome is practically bust. The war has left the state with so many expenses it was hardly worth it. Over 8 full legions are stationed on my borders and are constantly under attack from the Averni, Belgae and Carthaginians. Italy has become almost stagnant from the lack of money invested in it's cities as everything is spent on the army and Romanising Iberia. I tried to attack the heart of Gaul and burnt it's foundries and barracks and murdered all it's citizens but they quickly took back their cities once I left and for some reason seem stronger than they ever were. As it stands I hold all of Spain and in Southern Gaul I hold Massilia and the city between that and Spain. I hold Taurasia and Medialonum and trade with the Boii in Patavium who seem to be loyal to our trade agreement and have never attacked despite sharing a border since the start of the campaign.

    I must admit that nearly 60 years of fighting in Spain took a lot of effort and was by far the hardest war I've ever had to fight in any game. It is a real war of attrition and murder and extermination of cities is almost a must to gain a foothold. I have a spies in every corner of my empire as assassination is becoming rife amongst my generals and I really can't afford to lose them with the position I find myself in. Diplomacy is just no longer a weapon and neither Carthage nor the barbarians from the North seem willing to accept a ceasefire. Just want to let the RS2 team know that it's one of the greatest campaigns ever but would also like to know does anybody else have a faction they find really hard to defeat and also do you find the Gallaeci this difficult to conquer and afterwards how do you find the money to build upon what you destroyed?

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    Glad you enjoyed it - one question - 0turn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ur-Lord Tedric View Post
    Glad you enjoyed it - one question - 0turn?
    Yeap, 0turn and on huge unit size. The only reason I don't want to invade Gaul yet either is that I want to conquer Carthage and some of Greece first before getting the reforms and using my legions to invade Gaul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa19 View Post
    Yeap, 0turn and on huge unit size. ........
    Gotcha, whilst I don't use Huge units because of the graphics and processor load on my dedicated old PC, I must admit to preferring Large in general because of the 'look & feel' - I always did like the Vanilla setting that resulted in a cohort being the same size as a centuria (80 men) in reality.

    0turn will give you lots and lots of battles, if that's your thing; but I also much prefer 1turn for the greater logistic load it results in, which is more indicative of realistic army management effort. It also means that losing troops, especially entire units and even legions, is just that little bit more 'exciting'! It certainly does result in my measured style - whilst I don't 'turtle' per se, I do take things at a rate that I can hold them. For example, my 5th test is at ~60 settlements in 650AUC - so 115 years to get there. Hardly blitzing!
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    I like to turtle as Rome at first. Put forts along the northern border while I build up economy buildings so that later on, Italy isn't a drain on my empire (as it was historically for the Roman Empire).

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    I think maybe at the start I would have liked to have done this as well, but looking at how big Carthage was getting and now that they had Hannibal in Spain also I thought it would be suicide if I allowed them grow any more powerful so I decided to attack. Now however I'm finding it seriously difficult to transform Italy into an economic powerhouse as everything is being spent just to defend it and not develop it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa19 View Post
    I think maybe at the start I would have liked to have done this as well, but looking at how big Carthage was getting and now that they had Hannibal in Spain also I thought it would be suicide if I allowed them grow any more powerful so I decided to attack. Now however I'm finding it seriously difficult to transform Italy into an economic powerhouse as everything is being spent just to defend it and not develop it!
    The Gallaeci are currently overpowered and almost always end up dusting the Carthaginians out of Iberia, after which they often end up following the latter back to North Africa. So you would not have been risking an expansion of Carthaginian rule, but rather an unpleasantly large Gallaeci nation. I myself first took the entirety of Italy, Sicily, and the islands, and then North Africa. I'm campaigning my way through Iberia at the moment, but the Gallaeci have coffers overflowing with mine income---if I remember correctly, this will be addressed in 2.6---and so it is slow going, especially given that I've got numbered legions and thus must continue rotating legions back and forth to Italy.

    That said, kudos for having the patience to play a zero-turn campaign. That's more battles than I'd have the patience to play.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa19 View Post
    I don't mind them having so many armies it's just the ones that seem to be spawned out of nowhere that annoy me. Especially when I take one city and then suddenly 2 or 3 arrive to defend the next. But disregarding all that is money supposed to be easy to make as Rome once spain is taken? Or does Carthage have to go as well? It would be great as well if the Barbarian factions could ease off a bit and be as peaceful as the Boii who seem to be very friendly in most of my campaigns as Rome. I never broke a treat with any of them but they keep attacking relentlessly even trying to besiege Genoa and Arretium before I beat them back and took Taurasia and Medialonum!
    The Gallaeci are actually harder to fight than Carthage, so you'll have some respite once you eliminate them.

    Personally, I wish that the team would eliminate the Gibraltar landbridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crymson View Post
    The Gallaeci are currently overpowered and almost always end up dusting the Carthaginians out of Iberia, after which they often end up following the latter back to North Africa. So you would not have been risking an expansion of Carthaginian rule, but rather an unpleasantly large Gallaeci nation.
    That's usually the case for me as well but in this campaign it was Carthage making a mockery of the Gallaeci until I took all their cities and the Gallaeci attacked from the other side and once Carthage had only Gadir left the Gallaeci were suddenly all mighty pumping out one full stack after another. I thought that once I had them defeated the income from mining would increase my own twofold but really it hasn't proved as helpfull as I would have liked. And now I've no Roman legions left in Spain to deal with Carthage only spanish spearmen and slingers. Hopefully the Allied Cohorts which I've only just started to recruit will be up to the task!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa19 View Post
    That's usually the case for me as well but in this campaign it was Carthage making a mockery of the Gallaeci until I took all their cities and the Gallaeci attacked from the other side and once Carthage had only Gadir left the Gallaeci were suddenly all mighty pumping out one full stack after another. I thought that once I had them defeated the income from mining would increase my own twofold but really it hasn't proved as helpfull as I would have liked. And now I've no Roman legions left in Spain to deal with Carthage only spanish spearmen and slingers. Hopefully the Allied Cohorts which I've only just started to recruit will be up to the task!
    Your allied cohorts, being virtually identical to your own Polybian cohorts, will be just fine. You've actually got the advantage in being in the pre-Marian stage at your particular juncture; having generic legionary cohorts that can be blended and mixed, and allied cohorts that can be raised in fairly short order from anywhere, is very nice. The Marian legions pack more of a punch, but replenishing them is time-consuming, and the desire to preserve one's experienced cohorts makes one less liable to take risks that may end up in their destruction. This concern does not exist for one's Polybian units.

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    Yeah the Galleci are a brutal tug of war. Like Tedric i only play 1-turn as well for the same reasons. Battles become more significant and having an army destroyed is a bigger problem in 1-turn. I usualy attack Carthage first and take out Northern Africa. But at times i have run simultaneous campaigns against Galleci and Carthage. All those tribes in spain and tons of mercenaries in the countryside makes them a tedious foe. Plus its difficult to reinforce all the way to spain so attrition is a big problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatoTheYounger View Post
    Yeah the Galleci are a brutal tug of war. All those tribes in spain and tons of mercenaries in the countryside makes them a tedious foe. Plus its difficult to reinforce all the way to spain so attrition is a big problem.
    Exactly, it's probably because they're one of your first enemies in the early stages as you aren't so powerful and the army isn't so built up but they're practically impossible to blitz. Even if 5 or 6 legions were landed in Spain for an invasion those forces would be exhausted by the time half the country was taken and then the player would have to worry about holding their settlements there while Gallaeci armies were thrown at them wave after wave and then Carthage fighting from the South, the War in Spain I would think is definately the hardest the Roman player would face.

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    I don't mind them having so many armies it's just the ones that seem to be spawned out of nowhere that annoy me. Especially when I take one city and then suddenly 2 or 3 arrive to defend the next. But disregarding all that is money supposed to be easy to make as Rome once spain is taken? Or does Carthage have to go as well? It would be great as well if the Barbarian factions could ease off a bit and be as peaceful as the Boii who seem to be very friendly in most of my campaigns as Rome. I never broke a treat with any of them but they keep attacking relentlessly even trying to besiege Genoa and Arretium before I beat them back and took Taurasia and Medialonum!

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    This is a good example for war over economic.Player have to find the ballance.What is your FM economic traits?Good,growing,balance or recesion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odesos View Post
    This is a good example for war over economic.Player have to find the ballance.What is your FM economic traits?Good,growing,balance or recesion?
    It's growing but really that was while I was conquering, it seems to be dwindling a bit now but no traits for that have been gained by any character yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odesos View Post
    This is a good example for war over economic.
    its just like you say odesos,finding the balance between pumping out stack after stack and building up your empire
    is not that easy.i needed 3 campaigns to find that balance,now i know i need to make sure my homeland citys are al making at least 5000+ to support large armys in far away lands,so building up economy is essential to take on hard enemys like galleci

    @agrippa building up italy is difficult when you need that many stacks to defend your borders
    against the arverni you dont need that many stacks to hold them at bay,i place full stack near massilia and full stack at emporia
    2stacks at gadir to keep carthage out of spain disband al the rest that you make 30000 p/turn to build up italy and only defencive war for couple of years.in my second capaign i made galleci my ally and let carthage take them out untill they got only brigantum and 1 other city
    in north of spain than i aided them with some legions and take carthagenian towns in spain that are poorly defended,so i had 2nations that wher short of armys in spain and than betrayed they galleci and taking them out as well that whas a fun campaign to see them taking eachother out and carthage did not attacked me in that timeperiod
    it whas a 0turn ,huge size army, campaign m/m

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    @Tungri Currently I've 1 and a half stacks at Gadir, 1 at Carthago Nova just recruited and 2 at emporiea. I've 1 at Massilia in a garrison and Massilia itself is almost completely garrisoned and I've one legion garrisoned in the mountain pass at Taurasia and another in the mountain pass above Medialonum. And I'm continuously replenishing their ranks as their constantly in battles against Averni and Belgae full stacks. They surely have to give up soon they're getting nowhere with it. As for the economy I'm earning 25-30k denarii a turn which is really nothing when you have to spend it all to build up both spain and Italy and keep those border armies in the field!

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    try to use force diplomacy on belgae or arverni iff they not accept ceasefire
    and for economy its best to build up italy first ,just happiness buildings and mines for spain
    and good governers with high influence and management skills
    iff carthage causing problems its best to take there capital massacre and destroy al you can if not planning to hold it
    and invest that money in your towns,you can do that with gergovia to its a nice extra to spend

    @crymson for me all the landbridges shoud be out
    and i get lucky that i never had overpowered galleci than
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