Littlefinger's hidden agenda [Massive spoilers]

[RockeZz_19]

Littlefinger: shrewd, intelligent & ambitious.

His current track record:

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Convinced Lisa to poison Lord Arryn, her husband.
Lied about the dagger, it was Robert's, not Tyrion's. The lie indirectly helped spark the War of Five Kings by Catelyn's arrest of Tyrion. That and Ned's discovery and his head on a pike.
Betrays Ned by turning on him

Forges Tyrell-Lannister alliance. Awarded with the title Lord Paramount of the Riverlands & Trident + Lord of Harrenhal. (loyal to the Lannisters =>)
Recruits the Kettleblacks, fooling both Cersei & Tyrion that they belong to them (=> not so much)

Warns Tywin L. about the plan to wed Sansa to Willas Tyrell. Tyrion marries Sansa. He also gives Jeyne Poole to marry Ramsay Bolton (=> loyal to Lannisters?)
Plots with Lady Olenna to kill Joffrey, using the amethysts that were in Sansa's hairnet. Olenna slipped it into Joffrey's drink. Prior to the wedding, he makes that Tyrion and Joffrey get into a fight using the jousting dwarves. Making Tyrion the scapegoat (=> not so loyal to the Lannisters).

Takes Sansa to the Eyrie as Alayna Stone. Kills Lisa Tully. Becomes Lord Protector of the Vale, controlling Robert Arryn.
He bribes Lyn Corbray to act as chief nemesis in the Vale, Corbray becomes his most valued spy: Corbray gives the names who plot against Littlefinger.
He plans to reveal Sansa's identity when she marries the heir of the Vale Harrold Hardyng, after Robert will die of his disease.
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Littlefinger, up til now, has become Lord Paramount of the Riverlands and Trident, Lord of Harrenhal and Lord Protector of the Vale. Impressive!

But why?

Gain greater name, fame and power? Of course! But in what frame? In the first books, you would think he would like to grow under the wings of the Crown/Lannisters. Some of the main events in the books that change the main storylines are sparked by Littlefinger. Like he said to Sansa, he's playing the game of thrones.

Remains the question: where and how does he want to end?
By making Sansa marry the heir, he plans to cement an alliance with the Starks (or rule himself)?

It's unlikely he's a pawn in Illyrio Mopatis' game, nor Varys' schemes.

- "Littlefinger... the gods only know what game Littlefinger is playing."
- "Littlefinger is the second most devious man in the Seven Kingdoms."
- “I would sooner wed the Black Goat of Qohor"

If the Targaryens succesfully take King's Landing, will he ally with them? Bringing near half the Seven Kingdoms under their rule.
And there's the White Walkers problem, how will he react

Or does Littlefinger ends up as King himself? It's unlikely. But hey, right now he's living the American Dream

You decide! Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

[Mhaedros]

Originally I think he meant to use Joffrey/Tommen/Renly as a puppet and rule the kingdoms through the king and Lord Stark. Eddard put an end to this though, so he had to change plans. What he is up to now only the gods know.


Also, yay for Assassin's Creed quote

[RockeZz_19]

Agreed, that was the original plan. Which strengthens my belief that he just wants maximum power for himself.

AC 4 the win

[Littlefinger87]

Saved Ned's life in the throne room after he betrays him to save the realm from Stannis. He also convinced Lysa to lie to her sister to put suspicion on the Lannisters. What's Littlefinger's endgame. Right now, it's wait and see. He still has to convince the Lords of the Vale and the Riverlands to accept his rule. His true power lies in the marriage opportunities he has. he has many cards (and most assume he will have more soon) to play. He himself is the most eligible widower in Westeros, even more eligible than Doran Martell as Littlefinger doesn't have gout.

Marriage options in order of unlikely to most likely:
1. Marry himself to Cercei Lannister- Cercei is spoiled goods now with her reputation ruined, but she is still heir to the Rock and now the head of the family now that Kevan is dead. She still faces a trial but will likely get off because of Robert Strong.
2. Marry himself to Sansa Stark- Means admitting he stole Sansa from King's Landing and essentially declaring for the North against the Boltons, Freys, Lannisters, and Tyrells. Creepiness factor increases tenfold.
3. Marry himself to Arianne Martell- Could happen if the Aegon marriage doesn't work out.
4. Marry Sansa to Harry the heir- unites the Vale and the North, same problems as marrying her himself but much less creepy.


Robert Arryn is sickly but remains Littlefinger's claim to power. He will most likely arrange the marriage between Harry and someone before Robert dies. This way, Littlefinger can arrange for his match before Harry is proclaimed the new lord of the Vale.

It seems as if GRRM is setting up Littlefinger to be a parallel for Harren the Black. Littlefinger seems smarter than Harren though. He'd rather kneel than be burnt. The Vale is isolated but will that matter when the Others come? Probably not.

[Korpskog]

I just wrote the worlds longest post about LF but my browser crashed

Anyhow: Robert Arryn must be Littlefingers sonm therefore he will not let him die easily! It is known

[Boss Bolton]

I never thought about Robert being little littlefinger, maybe he really intends to marry Sansa to Robert and try to make some claim on the north once Stannis and the Boltons fight it out? Goes along with the idea him wanting power for power's sake and "playing the game of thrones".

[jazstl]

The quote on the top is accually from Hasan Ibn Saba-aka the funder of the original assasins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabbah
Also a good book Alamut.

On topic-LF is playing the game, bechose of his youth frusstrations with Tullys and Starks, who knows what is he planning for them...

[Mount Suribachi]

You also forgot:

Probably behind the attempt on Tyrion's life by Ser Meryn Trant
Possibly involved in the Antler Men
Slowly poisoning Robert Arryn with Sweetsleep
Possibly behind the disappearance of Tyrek Lannister

As for his endgame. Mayhaps he is playing the game for its own sake. Mayhaps he is trying to rise above, even break, the class system and gain revenge on all those who have snubbed him because of his "low" birth. Mayhaps he already has a son that no-one knows about who he plans to put on the throne.

[Ori]

He'll marry Sansa to Harry, that is almost definate. He says as much to Sansa himself, and he'd have no reason to lie to her. It's not like he'd gain anything by being like, "SURPRISE! You're marrying me!" afterwards. In reality Littlefinger has so many options we can't predict what he'll do. He could gain the North and Vale, then declare for Stannis. Stannis would normally have Littlefinger executed, but in this case he might thank him for the Valeman Army. He could go for the Lannisters and back Cersei up against the Tyrells, possibly covincing her to forgive the whole stealing away Sansa bussiness. He could declare for the Tyrells maybe, or could even go independent. That would be interesting.

Or maybe there is another option we haven't even thought about. Aegon is coming to Westeros, maybe after Aegon takes Storm's End (and possibly marries Arianna), Littlefinger can declare for Aegon. Togother they'd probably have enough men to fight the Tyrells and Lannisters, especially if the Tyrells, Faith Militant, and Lannisters all get into a giant freny in King's Landing.

[WarbornUK]

Littlefinger seems to me to be a grand Architect, a man weaving an intricate web of deceit and subversion, but in such a way that it appears to work against when in reality it is advancing him into holding ever more territory and holding even loftier titles.
His agenda to me is simply self-advancement and self-preservation, as simple as it sounds a reasonable case may be made for it using many of the points here. "Littlefinger loves Littlefinger".

[Mikail Mengsk]

He is the most cunning schemer of the series, no less. His goals are shadowy, i think he can't really sit on the Iron Throne because he's of low birth. He can however put on it someone he controls, but i think he has more personal goals.

Sansa will probalby be married to Harry the Heir. He himself who could marry? All powerful available girls (who can grant him a throne) are already "taken" (Arianne to Aegon, Sansa to Harry). Maybe Cersei, to take the Rock? Unlikely, imho: Cersei is rather mad and wouldn't accept now that there is no one to stop her.

... Daenerys?

[Mount Suribachi]

He is the most cunning schemer of the series, no less. His goals are shadowy, i think he can't really sit on the Iron Throne because he's of low birth. He can however put on it someone he controls, but i think he has more personal goals.

I think that by the time the War of the 5 Kings has finished for good, then the 2nd Dance of the Dragons, then the 2nd Long Night, how low or high your birth is will become less and less relevant. Simply being alive and having an army will be enough.

[Mhaedros]

He's not of low birth I'd say, he is after all lord of the Fingers.

He could marry Maergery, if Tommen was to..disappear. He would gain one of the most powerful houses in Westeros and at the same time remove the Lannister's most important allies.

[Nicolaos]

I think he wants absolute power. How's the saying: small men are the most ambitious.

Oh and he wants Sansa

[CorvusCorax]

I think the Lannisters are finished. I know such a statement is tempting fate with GRRM, but with Kevan dead and Cersei seemingly out of the game (though on that point, who knows), Tommen is now a puppet of his Tyrell wife and Tyrell dominated small council. New regent without Kevan? Presumably Mace? So if the Iron Throne is currently controlled by the Tyrells, that makes them the direct opposition to Aegon, who will presumably have Dorne on his side. Dorne vs the Reach has been coming for a long time after all... However, with Varys intimately tied up in that conflict, I think LF will be content to sit it out somewhere else, and turn his attentions north.
How about LF marrying Shireen? Stannis won't like it, but... Vale soldiers to come to Winterfell's aid?

[ButtSwag]

"Littlefinger would watch the world burn to be king of the ashes." I think they stole that line from Mad King Aerys. Complete and utter bull. Varys the spider, so misinformed for being the "most informed man in Kings landing." He doesn't understand LF at all. The show writers show their prejudice against this character because of what they perceive he did to beloved Ned. Meanwhile, LF is the only one to actually save Ned's life in the entire series (puts a knife to his throat to preventing him from fighting the losing battle in the throne room, and arranges for him to take the black).

I think Varys meant that Littlefinger is an incredibly ambitious man, and wouldn't care about who got in the way of his ambitions. To Varys, Sansa is just something he can use to get what he wants, and it's true. Unlike a good King (like Varys claims he wants) where they would take the throne through proper succession, Littlefinger would get there any way possible, no matter how dirt (be the king of ashes).

[Littlefinger87]

The line "king of the ashes" refers to the Mad King Aerys not so veiled threat to burn King's Landing to the ground. Knowing what we know now about the amount of wildfire the city had, this is a very real threat. I see what you are saying with the figurative meaning of the phrase, but it doesn't give enough credit to LF's motivations or Vary's intelligence and ability to discern those motivations. Only Targaryens and Tywin Lannister at this point are responsible for truly burning large parts of Westeros to ash.

We can understand that he's an ambitious man by stating that he is one of the most dangerous men in Westeros, because he is. He's the reason why most of our favorite characters to love and hate are alive right now (securing the Tyrell/Lannister alliance).

LF is a self-interested character. He's not the only one, but he's one of the most accomplished given where he was born to where he is now. Yours and TV Varys' point that LF would burn Westeros to ash so that he could rule it defeats the very purpose of becoming king in the first place. He would want to be king long-term. To be a king, you must have subjects to support your rule both financially and militarily. It would be foolish and stupid to burn most of your available land and people before you became the king. LF is neither stuppid nor foolish. He has an endgame scenario and burning everything just isn't it.

Also, when LF becomes acting Lord of the Vale he will have an army. Varys failed to mention that. Albeit the Vale hasn't called it's banners but that's a good thing for the Vale at this point.

[AndariusHaliusScipio]

Maybe Varys is just lying in order to get Oleanna to work with him, since she's too smart to fall for stupid things, and uses the typical Roman trick of allying with a weaker state against a stronger one

[maxi90]

@Litlefinger87: Baleish literaly started this war for the sole porpuse of creating chaos that would allow him to climg even higher in the ladder of power, so i think the phrase pretty much applies.

Also, "king of the ashes" was not meant to be taken literaly. Nobody knew about Aerys´s stashes of wildfire apart from Jaime.

[AndariusHaliusScipio]

@Litlefinger87: Baleish literaly started this war for the sole porpuse of creating chaos that would allow him to climg even higher in the ladder of power, so i think the phrase pretty much applies.

Also, "king of the ashes" was not meant to be taken literaly. Nobody knew about Aerys´s stashes of wildfire apart from Jaime.

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