Why no Mouth of Sauron?

[CatoTheYounger]

The Mouth of Sauron was one of Saurons top leaders. A black numenorean who possibly knew some socery. Gandalf even suspected he was to be the new lieutenant of Isengard now that Saurman had proved a failed double traitor. Even the movies they had him in the extended cuts although they made him quite strange. He would be a cool addition because you would have a rare human leader for the mordor faction not counting the Nazgul who were once Kings of men.

Why has nobody added the Mouth of Sauron to the Mordor roster?

[Dutch-Balrog]

Hmm i've read a bit of info about him, and yea i think he'd be a good aditional general for Mordor.

[Finkeren]

It could be interresting and very much in accordance with the lore, however there might be a couple of reasons to not include him as a general. For the "evil" factions, the Mouth Of Sauron already features prominently in the interface as a messenger, so it might seem strange to have him as a character as well. Also, Mordor already has 9 of the most powerful generals in the game right from the start. To add yet another amazing general (as he would have to be - albeit not immortal) leading another band of meat grinding Black Numenoreans would seem a bit excessive.

[CatoTheYounger]

It could be interresting and very much in accordance with the lore, however there might be a couple of reasons to not include him as a general. For the "evil" factions, the Mouth Of Sauron already features prominently in the interface as a messenger, so it might seem strange to have him as a character as well. Also, Mordor already has 9 of the most powerful generals in the game right from the start. To add yet another amazing general (as he would have to be - albeit not immortal) leading another band of meat grinding Black Numenoreans would seem a bit excessive.

Excessive yes. Awesome even more so. Dump the messenger and bring in the arogant bastard and his sickly black steed.

[CatoTheYounger]

Add Beregond to Gondor if you need another stud to counter the move

[Finkeren]

Add Beregond to Gondor if you need another stud to counter the move

Well, it's not just a balance issue in relation to Gondor. The wages of the general and the upkeep of his unit would also put further burdens on the already strained Mordor starting economy. Anyway, I'm not really oppossed to the idea. I was just trying to rationalize, why The Mouth of Sauron is not modelled.

[Mikail Mengsk]

He wasn't a general.

[Finkeren]

He wasn't a general.

He was the Lieutenant of Barad-dûr, which makes him a great deal more of a general than most of the characters from the lore that appear as generals in TATW.
But fine by me. Make him a diplomat instead and give him a ridiculous amount of movement points (he travels on horseback after all) It would be nice for Mordor to have a diplomat from the start.

[abanner99]

I agree that as a diplomat it would be appropriate. Sauron seems to have diplomacy with people from all over the place so it would make sense to start out with a highly skilled diplomat that could also easily bribe through the terror of the dark lord.

[Trailhog250]

...The Mouth of Sauron was the Lieutenant of the Tower of Barad-dûr, being Sauron's "mouth"; giving orders to the Orc armies of Gorgoroth. The Mouth of Sauron communicated directly with the Dark Lord. A man of great stature, potentially the equal of other Dúnedain, the Mouth of Sauron had fallen into darkness. If the plans of Sauron had then gone as wanted, the Mouth of Sauron would have been the new lord of Isengard, replacing Saruman. As a Black Númenórean he probably came from Umbar, ...

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Mouth_of_Sauron

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

You just linked to LOTR.wikia.

[Curufin]

You just linked to LOTR.wikia.

This ^^, I never trust that site, honestly just normal wikipedia is a perfectly fine source for Lord of the rings info, even if it is a bit dry.

[Ngugi]

Here is what we have on the MoS, from the only source needed and the only one bringing us any info about the MoS anyway.
RotK; The Black Gate Opens

At its head there rode a tall and evil shape, mounted upon a black horse, if horse it was; for it was huge and hideous, and its face was a frightful mask, more like a skull than a living head, and in the sockets of its eyes and in its nostrils there burned a flame. The rider was robed all in black, and black was his lofty helm; yet this was no Ringwraith but a living man. The Lieutenant of the Tower of Barad-dûr he was, and his name is remembered in no tale; for he himself had forgotten it, and he said: ‘I am the Mouth of Sauron.’ But it is told that he was a renegade, who came of the race of those that are named the Black Númenóreans; for they established their dwellings in Middle-earth during the years of Sauron’s domination, and they worshipped him, being enamoured of evil knowledge. And he entered the service of the Dark Tower when it first rose again, and because of his cunning he grew ever higher in the Lord’s favour; and he learned great sorcery, and knew much of the mind of Sauron; and he was more cruel than any orc.He it was that now rode out, and with him came only a small company of black-harnessed soldiery, and a single banner, black but bearing on it in red the Evil Eye.

...


‘These are the terms,’ said the Messenger, and smiled as he eyed them one by one. ‘The rabble of Gondor and its deluded allies shall withdraw at once beyond the Anduin, first taking oaths never again to assail Sauron the Great in arms, open or secret. All lands east of Anduin shall be Sauron’s for ever, solely. West of the Anduin as far as the Misty Mountains and the Gap of Rohan shall be tributary to Mordor, and men there shall bear no weapons, but shall have leave to govern their own affairs. But they shall help to rebuild Isengard which they have wantonly destroyed, and that shall be Sauron’s, and there his lieutenant shall dwell: not Saruman, but one more worthy of trust.’
Looking in the Messenger’s eyes they read his thought. He was to be that lieutenant, and gather all that remained of the West under his sway; he would be their tyrant and they his slaves.

[jpempire]

Mouth of Sauron could be a diplomat

[Trailhog250]

Indeed lotr wikia is not the best source of lore hehe. (as people tend to write what they think it should be rather than what it is) But still it's clear the Mouth of Sauron was the lieutenant of Barad Dur. So did he actually have command of armies or was he more of just a messenger/noble of Sauron rather than a real 'lieutenant'?

[knight of meh]

was he more of just a messenger/noble of Sauron

i think this is more the case because tolkien used the word lieutenant for it's etymology reason , i.e in lieu of tenant and in other words when the commander wasn't there you took command , not as a military rank

it's unfortunate for the MoS that the big boss was challenged in the mobility department maybe he would have got a bigger role if Sauron still had legs... just a thought

[Ngugi]

A lieutenant in Tolkien's vocabulary is not the same thing as an 'officer in general' but a person responsible for a specific geographical position; the responsible person for the place is a lieutenant.
Sauron was lieutenant over Angband before Morgoth settled there, Gothmog (not the Balrog) was lieutenant of Minas Morgul, Khamûl was lieutenant of Dol Guldur, Saruman became Gondor's lieutenant when he settled in Orthanc, the Marshals over different parts of Rohan were lieutenants.

From this it could be deemed that a lieutenant ought to be a direct military position, but it should be noted that Saruman was not intended to be a military leader of Gondor, rather a caretaker, and to me (ignoring the matter of weither MoS could or should be a general as I do not care) the MoS likewise seems to be rather a prime rank clerk than a general (as Sauron sat in Barad-dûr already and ought to direct such business himself).


EDIT:
@ knight'
Sauron had a body, and outspoken hands, so I assume he had legs by this time as well

[Lortano]

Ngugi, he was in a wheelchair, how could you not know that?

Anywya, a diplomat would probably be best for him.

[Zimmy]

A diplomat would be good, though he shouldn't have much skill(he was after all, foaming at the mouth, not very diplomatic, I'd say.)

[zorphon]

A diplomat would be good, though he shouldn't have much skill(he was after all, foaming at the mouth, not very diplomatic, I'd say.)

Hahaha.

I too second this diplomat idea, being a general would be slightly unfitting IMO. Especially with Mordor's already large roster of generals.