Next TW - Age of Discovery: TW

[Antiochus Seleukos]

Discuss.

[Border Patrol]

Yeahno

[Antiochus Seleukos]

Why not?

[Stath's]

No more gunpowder

[ComnenusTheOne]

No more gunpowder

Why?

[SRACon17]

No more gunpowder

how do you think the Spanish conquistadores conquered south america with only a few men if they didn't have gunpowder? anyway, not everyone likes gunpowder.

[Maklodes]

While conquering Brazil as Portugal or something might be fun, I think that it would be pretty epic just to keep the HRE intact throughout a Thirty Years War-type conflict and not have half of your territories reduced to smoldering ruins.

how do you think the Spanish conquistadores conquered south america with only a few men if they didn't have gunpowder? anyway, not everyone likes gunpowder.

Gunpowder was one advantage, but it's hard to tell to what extent it was decisive over other factors (steel weapons/armor, diseases, the fact that the Aztecs had pissed off the Tlaxcalans and everyone else in Mexico, the fact that the Incans were in the midst of a civil war, etc). Then, of course, there's the fact that we tend to forget the conquistadors who set off with small companies of men full of vim and vigor, intending on conquering American territory in spite of 100-to-1 odds and the like, and quickly ended up in unmarked graves, like Francisco de Orellana. Gunpowder had its uses, but it's not like, y'know, people didn't make huge conquests before gunpowder, often against opponents who were considerably better armed than the Americans. (Alexander of Macedon? Genghis Khan?)

[SRACon17]

While conquering Brazil as Portugal or something might be fun, I think that it would be pretty epic just to keep the HRE intact throughout a Thirty Years War-type conflict and not have half of your territories reduced to smoldering ruins.



Gunpowder was one advantage, but it's hard to tell to what extent it was decisive over other factors (steel weapons/armor, diseases, the fact that the Aztecs had pissed off the Tlaxcalans and everyone else in Mexico, the fact that the Incans were in the midst of a civil war, etc). Then, of course, there's the fact that we tend to forget the conquistadors who set off with small companies of men full of vim and vigor, intending on conquering American territory in spite of 100-to-1 odds and the like, and quickly ended up in unmarked graves, like Francisco de Orellana. Gunpowder had its uses, but it's not like, y'know, people didn't make huge conquests before gunpowder, often against opponents who were considerably better armed than the Americans. (Alexander of Macedon? Genghis Khan?)

yeah i know, i was just telling @Stath's that THERE IS gunpowder in the age of discovery. also, gunpowder is one of the main reasons why the Spanish were able to colonize my country(Philippines) during that age.

[Maklodes]

yeah i know, i was just telling @Stath's that THERE IS gunpowder in the age of discovery. also, gunpowder is one of the main reasons why the Spanish were able to colonize my country(Philippines) during that age.

I don't know for sure, and only Stath's can speak for him/herself, but I interpreted the post as meaning "TW: Age of Discovery would have gunpowder, therefore I don't want it (and would rather have some non-gunpowder TW game like TW: Three Kingdoms or something)," not "TW: Age of Discovery would not have gunpowder."

[Yayattasa]

Nice OP, deserves some rep.

[isa0005]

A total war that spans the ages? beginning with perhaps the iron age and ending perhaps in the late 21st century? Of course the game would take a ridiculous time to to play, but if they did something like CK II that would be kind of cool.

Honestly though I think the one game we ought to be all thinking about is Rome II

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Oh and has some +rep for nice op

[Maklodes]

Personally, a Total War game between the end of Medieval and the beginning of Empire is currently my favorite idea for a new TW game, just ahead of Total War: Dark Ages. Of course, Shogun is already that (other than FotS), but something not Japan-exclusive (although having Japan be one of the factions, with matchlock ashigaru, katana samurai, and all those other Shogun units make a return would be a fun homage, although of course a Total War: Renaissance/Age of Exploration/whatever game would necessarily have a less detailed portrayal of Japan than Total War: Shogun II. (Japan would be a pretty minor faction compared to the Chinese, Spanish, Turks, etc.)

Tip: Never trust the Jesuits, no matter how friendly and helpful they seem, and no matter how much help you need against the Protestant armies.

[6tTh6eCount6]

Total war: The Dark Ages,

Would be fan-****ing-tastic, also medieval 3 please, then we can have another (pure)gunpowder game.

[ggggtotalwarrior]

I suggested a Colonialism TotalWar between Medieval II and Empire back before Napoleon, and a Dark Ages game would be good too. They're the two European time periods not done in the series yet.

[Antiochus Seleukos]

The New World must have been insane - finding that there were new lands with mysterious unknown people past from what you know. Kind of like us finding Aliens today in my opinion. That is also why so many explorers died - they had no idea what they were getting into and the natives owned them.

[HigoChumbo]

I would choose a 16th, 17th centuries game over any possible remake of previous games any day (save for rome, which is already in its way). It has a very unique flavor and a lot of completelly different cultures and units to represent

I am actually more interested in the European conflicts than in the colonization (althought the contacts with the Far East are interesting).


I find the Low Countries, Italy, Spain, the Ottomans or even Poland (and others, not going to name them all) extremelly interesting in this period. As for the conflicts, there are very unique battlefields to be explored, like the Italian Wars (gunpowder and infantry replacing the old supremacy of the french heavy cavalry or the swiss pikemen) or the Thirty Years War (because going on a battle dressed like a pimp is cool, if you don't know what i mean check the images below)

Landsknetchs:

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(I believe the inscription means something like "I wish you the best" xD)

Musketeers:

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This is the exact point in which the medieval eras get blended with the modern times, were you can find gunpowder units and knights in full plate battling each other, where kings still lead their troops in the battlefield where you can see galleys with oars not very different from those the romans used battling with modern great sailships with cannons.

Btw, for those saying "no gunpowder", gundpowder units constituted only a minor percentage of the total army for this very reason (for instance, a Spanish Tercio in the mid 1500s was compossed of 12 companies, 10 of which were pikemen for just 2 of arquebusiers). Also, muskets took so long to reload and cannons were not so effective, so melee units still played a major role, and musketeers were armed with a rapier and a parrying dagger so they could engage in close combat as well as any other soldier).



I think that the Discovery of America would be a nice start to pick it where Medieval 2 left it, but it would be cool if they went back to the 1450s to let us persevere as the Byzantines ^^. I think it should end at the exact same point where Empire starts (1700, the death of the Charles II of Spain and the start of the Habsburg vs Bourbon power conflicts).

[Rijul.J.Ballal]

Persia total war WTF!!! or maybe Assyria?I feel it is inevitable that they will do a china total war. throw in a India total war in there and all is well with the world.