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    Punk, what it was and how it affects you!

    It all began as a fashion label for kings road sex shops, although some would argue to the contrary because the general theme of it was already there. The backlash against the hippy movement had already began and many sought a 'new answer', perhaps it even started as far back as the late 60's with bands like the velvet underground, then later the new York dolls had a heavy influence – johnny thunders distinctive guitar sound was heavily mimicked by Steve Jones of the sex pistols.
    Fundamentally i feel punk was all about individualism, with the fashion and the music quickly diverging accordingly. It was heavily influenced by art students whom wished to express themselves through music and fashion, this strain later lead to the futurist, new romantics and goth themes.
    So how does this all affect you? Well when we walked down the street with red and blue hair, there were gasps of shock and horror, yet if you do the same today no one even blinks an eye. There is virtually nothing you could do that is new and even if you did it would not be viewed as remarkable or extraordinary, this is highlighted when we consider that the whole outrage thing run out of steam in the mid eighties. The image is of course only the outer expression of the genre, for me the most important thing was what that it became a way of life [thanks to state funding [!]], this necessarily showed itself as according to the label with drink, drugs and shagging be predominant and en-mass, we all used to hang out in gangs in town centre's 'being punks'. To most people it was a frightening crass and uncouth phenomenon, punks were thought of as many portrayed themselves to be, although the vast majority were middle-class intellectuals and generally mild mannered, so were merely bursting out of the bubble – so to say, we wanted to 'destroy passers by' because normality was the enemy of individualism and freedom. Towards the late seventies and early eighties punk became very political, mainly anarchist and we all headed of to squat in the city [london]. Later in the mid eighties punks started going to free festivals and mixing with the hippies, from this was created a new subculture [travelers] of people who found freedom living on buses just traveling around from festival to festival, this was ruthlessly and literally destroyed by the state, although they could only take the buses away - some said, but in truth most were dispersed into mainstream society with many falling to heroin addiction and heavy drinking.

    Well thats the story [or one of them] for english punk and its eventual defeat by the state – or was it a defeat? Our ideas filtered into the mainstream culture and i truly believe we have a greater sense of freedom – at least in terms of individual expression than people previously had. Although one must say that the hippy movement made the greater changes. Punk simply had to happen to take things to an extreme, whilst hippy had become watered down somewhat.

    So did all of this actually change society, and for the better?

    Is there anything you can do now that is original?

    Is anything outrageous?

    What happened to youth culture – it appears to have no rebellion in it anymore, perhaps at a time when it is needed most!

    How do you see the 'crazy generations', silly idiots, or do you wish you were there, or that you could have the freedom and the fun we had? I can remember the great feeling of riot dancing with thousands of mohican punks at gigs and feeling exhausted and yet so alive afterwards, and of seeing society from the other side of the fence! But i never saw myself as a sad old git reminiscing about it i was supposed to live fast and die young! Well i did but survived – damn! :tooth:
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    It's kind of sad the real punk movement died. I wasn't even alive for it, but I am quite sure the kids who call themselves "punk" now are not. I've met but one who actually had any opinons on anything political, or even relevant. When you see kids dressed in "punk" attire nowadays, they are merely conformists of the second degree.

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    Punk... drunkards, junkies and *****s. No offense but this is what I see now. And I noticed they call themselves "Anarchist" or isn't the same? I know that punk had pretty revolutionary ideas but still they did nothing major among the oldies [I meant goverment which I guess is needed]. Tired of youngster movements who do nothing but screaming and making lot of noise.

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    Sandi Thom you silly *****. Punk rockers don't have flowers in their hair!

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    They'd make great cannon-fodder...
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    From what I can see, from my lofty tower of blissful ignorance, it was just another rebellious sub-culture - people striving for conformity within a sect against conformity. To exalt it as an intellectually empowered movement is bordering on succumbing to romanticism. Yes, it was viewed as such by those who were caught up in its self-righteous torrent, but was it really anything more than a bunch of disillusioned young people subscribing to radical views in order to derive a sense of solidarity?

    I think true revolution takes place within the individual, not by dyeing your hair before wearing the same clothes and listening to the same music as everybody else within the given movement. It is subjective - to question your nature and forge interests and tastes that are truly your own, not what is current or topical - that to me is the fundamental essence of non-conformity. Paradoxically, desperately attempting to not conform leads to conformity.

    Tired of youngster movements who do nothing but screaming and making lot of noise.
    Screaming incessantly gets things done remarkably quickly. The tactics employed by infants are never really abandoned.

    But i never saw myself as a sad old git reminiscing about it i was supposed to live fast and die young! Well i did but survived – damn!
    Maybe you're dead inside? That way you wouldn't be betraying your former ideals and can justify your nostalgic recollections.

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    Tecumseh, hi

    it is sad it died, of course it had to in a way because things like punk cannot evolve into a societal whole, it was there as a response to the conditions of the times. As such i cannot imagine that teenagers now can experience the same entity, and as you say it is more about a fashion statement nowadays, there was an energy about it back then – they were indeed revolutionary times. Nothing really came of it all in a big way, no governments were overthrown etc but most of us didn't want 'bloody revolutions' as crass [anarcho-punk band] put it. It changed attitudes and broadened our horizons generally going into the cultural blender. I really don't know how the thatcher government of the time got away with such a direct assault, she was very lucky that she didn't create a terrorist subculture. Thatcherism and consumerism were perhaps another phase in the blend, but it too must of course die!

    Arbaces, hi

    thats quite a broad spectrum of people you are calling drunkards etc, whereas most that i knew were the same as all the non-punk folks i knew at the time as concerns drink and drugs, if you went in any rehab how many punks would you see? Some were like that true, but most were not.
    I wouldn't say punk done nothing, as it broadened peoples minds and more importantly it questioned everything, if you went back to the days before it and watched - as i did - how things did change, then you would appreciate this.

    IHCN, hi

    well if a group are non-conformists then there is an inevitable conformity to this, the thing is; what would happen if you never had such people? Throughout history there have been many individuals and movements who set themselves against the norm, without this aspect of human nature history would be a lot more boring and i cannot imagine that we would advance much – can you! [everything would stay the same – to a degree]

    betraying my former ideals!? They have merely continued to advance from a corse anarchism to my present universalism, i continue to question and try to find philosophical basis and reasonings for advancement on many levels. The quest goes on! Dead inside; relatively speaking perhaps a bit yes, all that raw energy has to move on and one needs to partake in the day to day needs of our children etc. strange how it really feels like yesterday when we were taking the ***** out of old farts, my how time flies – blink and you too will, be reminiscing, about what i don't know though, what exactly have the newer generations done?
    Formerly quetzalcoatl. Proud leader of STW3 and member of the RTR, FATW and QNS teams.

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